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[people chattering]
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[person 1]
You want to try one?
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What do you say?
[person 2] Let's do it. Yes.
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[person 1] Let's shoot.
[person 2] Yep. Shoot.
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John, shoot.
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[crew continues chattering]
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[person 2] Let's go.
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Roll Keanu back up.
Let's shoot.
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[person 3]
Okay, let's mount up.
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[person 4] Here we go.
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[person 5]
Keep the charge. Go time.
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[person 2]
All right. And let's roll.
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[person 6] Quiet, please.
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[pistol clicks]
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[person 2] And let's roll.
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[person 7] Rolling.
Very quiet all around, please.
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[person 8] B.
[person 9] Victory 88 Charlie,
Take 1. A-mark.
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[person 10] Guys doing
the shell casing,
it will come this direction.
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What's a good eyeline here
to look at them?
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[person 10]
Let's see. That's good.
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[person 11]
Here to here to here?
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No, uh,
bring it around a little bit.
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[person 2] That's good.
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[person 3] That's better.
You like that?
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So, I'll start here.
Three, two, one,
and I'll just be like, "Fuck."
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[person 3] Stand by.
[person 7] Standing by.
Here we go.
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Yeah, let's see what comes.
But if we can get the pull
and--
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[person 3] Quiet, please.
All right, very good.
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And thank you.
Okay. Ready and action.
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[grunting]
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[groans]
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[grunting]
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[person 3] Good. Cut.
[person 7] Cut.
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[person 3] There you go.
[Reeves] You like that?
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[person 3]
A little bit of anger is good.
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[Reeves] When we say,
"John Wick is pain,"
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it's kind of like
a "Fuck yeah," you know?
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It's like a "Fuck yeah.
Wick is pain."
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It's like,
"It's so good, it hurts."
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Or, "It hurts so good."
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Um...
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And I think...
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I think that's why
the audiences like it, too.
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I think you can see it
on the screen,
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and there's a kind of B movie,
B-action genre to it,
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taken to, like,
a super high artsy level
in a way.
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But there is the joy
of people getting hit by cars
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and falling from impossible...
Like, "You can't survive that."
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And-- And then John Wick
kind of getting back up
or struggling.
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It's like an invitation,
you know?
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And it kind of
takes care of you,
and it feels authentic.
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I believe
that that's in the movies,
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and that when you watch them,
you're like,
"Yeah, this is like..."
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As John Wick says
in John Wick,
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"It's personal."
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[upbeat electronic music
playing]
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You know, I always looked at it
with, like, art envy,
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with, you know,
Scorsese and De Niro.
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You know, like, De Niro
had his director, you know?
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And so, when I think of that,
then that's what I think of.
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Like, with
the John Wick role, I had--
I had my director there.
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[Stahelski] This is 87eleven.
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I try to start my day here
every morning at 6:00 a.m.
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before I go into the office.
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[stunt performer grunts]
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[Stahelski] This is where all
the stunt performers
come to train.
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We've trained
for all the John Wicks here.
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It's also where I have to come
and try to keep
the joints working.
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Yeah,
a lot of miles on the body.
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The wear and tear
of not just stunt work,
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but of all the martial art
and the physicality
that I've done.
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I've broken my hands,
both ankles, both knees,
both hips, both shoulders,
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both elbows, both arms,
several concussions.
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But if you're passionate
about something,
pain's part of it.
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I don't think you can have
one without the other.
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It's really about choice.
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What you're willing to do
to achieve what
you want to achieve.
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Nice.
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Growing up,
my dad was very athletic.
Mom was very athletic.
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Everybody in the house
got up at 6:00.
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Before we went to school,
we did laps with Mom
in the pool,
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or we went for a jog,
we went for a run with the dogs
or something like that.
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They had that discipline
of get up,
go do something physical.
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It was already instilled in me
way back then.
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[Eusebio] I-I remember
Chad goes, "What are you doing?
You wanna train?"
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I go, "It's Christmas Eve."
And he's like,
"Christmas evening."
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"You can train in the morning."
Like that kind of shit.
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[Stahelski] I, for some reason,
never gravitated towards
team sports.
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I was a shy kid.
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But when I was probably
only like ten years old,
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I saw a Bruce Lee movie.
I'm like, "I wanna do that."
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So I started doing judo
when I was like ten or 11.
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That kind of
led to the martial art career
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that I started
when I was in California
to go to USC.
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In college, I had met a student
who was one of
the associate instructors
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at the Inosanto Academy
in Marina Del Rey.
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Dan Inosanto
trained with Bruce Lee,
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and he was one of the greatest
martial art instructors
of the time.
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The Inosanto Academy had
almost a collegiate setting.
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It wasn't one martial art.
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He'd bring in instructors
from all over the world.
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Amazing instructors.
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Literally, if I wasn't
going to school, I would
either jog the four miles
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or take the city bus
down to Marina Del Rey
from Downtown LA
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and take classes or spend
my weekends down there.
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I would sleep on
the floor or whatever.
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[Eusebio] Chad was probably
the best kickboxer
in that school.
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I used to watch this guy
just beat the crap out of
everybody.
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[grunts]
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I just remember,
if we were training kickboxing,
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he would try to come up
with the best training drills,
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the best kickboxing drills.
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Everything to just be
the best at what we were doing.
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That's always
been his thing.
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[grunting]
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My last year in college,
I had met a few stuntmen
through the Inosanto Academy,
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like Jeff Imada
and Brandon Lee.
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[grunts]
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Brandon was working on
his acting career,
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trying to, you know,
follow in his father's steps.
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Super motivated guy.
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Had the best laugh
on the planet. Really
talented martial art guy.
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[grunts]
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Every weekend,
we'd get together,
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and we'd do what we thought,
hopefully,
was martial art choreography,
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but it was a bunch of us
just trying to figure out
how to sell a punch
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and learn how to be stuntmen.
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We'd have our old,
big VHS camera, trying
to figure out the angles.
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[chuckles]
I still have some of the tapes.
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I go back and look at them
going, "How did we
not kill each other?"
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I remember Brandon
coming into the gym one night
before a workout,
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going, you know,
"I fucking got it."
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We're like, "What you get?"
and he's like, "Look,
they're gonna make The Crow.
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I got the job
being Eric Draven."
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It was really, really cool.
Like, we were so happy for him.
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It was a big deal.
Big deal for Brandon
to get that.
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And that's, um,
that's kind of how I got
my first big gig in Hollywood.
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I was still competing
at the time and getting ready
for a big bout in Japan,
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and Brandon had just gone off
to North Carolina
to Carolco Studios,
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where they were shooting
The Crow.
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And we got a call
saying there was an accident.
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We're like,
"He'll be fine. It's Brandon."
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You know,
we didn't think anything of it.
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And he died, I think,
14 hours later.
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And then the show shut down.
They were still
a couple weeks from finishing.
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Between Alex Proyas,
the director, the studio,
and Linda Lee, Brandon's mom,
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they decided
to finish the film.
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Jeff Imada had contacted me,
and he knew how close
we were to Brandon.
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He knew I was already doing
some stunt work at the time.
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And Brandon and I had
very similar body types.
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You don't know what to think.
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Selfishly, one part of me
is like, "Wow, this could be
really cool to finish, man."
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The other thing is like,
"What the fuck
are you talking about?"
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You're like,
"Your friend's dead."
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I-I can't recall
what my actual head
or mindset was at the time,
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but I decided to do the job.
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And Alex brought me down
to a little basement
in the studio there,
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and we watched for like
two days straight every
daily we could of Brandon.
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And he'd make me mimic walking,
talking, sitting,
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just every
mannerism Brandon had.
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And since I had known him
for a couple years,
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it was one of
the most surreal experiences
you'll ever go through.
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Your career starts
because of that.
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[Bernhardt]
Chad, when I first met him,
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had, like, this long,
beautiful hair down to here.
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Insane. It was incredible.
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He looked like Daniel Day-Lewis
in The Last of the Mohicans.
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We actually met
through a mutual friend
at one of the first UFC fights.
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Somebody was watching it
at home, and we all
met at somebody's house,
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and Chad and I just met,
and we started talking about
martial arts.
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Totally hit it off.
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And I said,
"Hey, I'm up to do
the sequel to Bloodsport."
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He was like,
"I love Bloodsport.
I'd love to be involved."
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So he came onboard.
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He became one of the fighters.
He did one of
the fights with me.
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And Chad actually
choreographed that fight.
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And at the time,
Chad was really into trapping.
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We did a lot of trapping.
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Chad used all my kicking.
I'm a Tae Kwon Do guy.
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And it turned out to be
my best fight in the movie.
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So when
Bloodsport III came around,
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I ask him, "Would you like
to be the fight coordinator?"
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So he came onboard.
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This time, it's my turn.
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And I actually think the fights
Chad did at the time
were incredible.
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Even if you watch it now,
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it's still a little bit
like, you know,
'90s, like... [grunting]
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But the techniques
are already great.
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Then I did a movie
called Perfect Target.
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It was a smaller movie.
We shot it in Mexico.
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So, Chad tells me,
"Hey, listen. I have this buddy
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who's gonna come
and visit and wanna hang out
and maybe do some stunts."
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I'm like, "Absolutely."
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And I meet David Leitch.
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[Leitch] I started training
at a martial arts school
in college
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called
the Minnesota Kali Group,
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and they were affiliated
with Dan Inosanto.
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Once I was exposed to
those martial arts
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and that sort of
martial art community,
I was, like, obsessed.
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And that's where I met
a lot of my friends
for the first time
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who are still my friends today.
And one of them was Chad.
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He was just saying one day
that he really wanted
to go into acting.
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And I was like, "Well, hey,
if you wanna be cast,
why don't you come out?
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We'll put you in the movie.
We'll teach you
how to be a stunt guy."
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You know, I was gonna go
to LA for holiday.
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And he's like, "Why don't you
just come to Mexico
and get on a movie set?"
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And I'm like, "Well, I'm not
gonna be working.
It's gonna be weird."
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And he's like, "Just come.
It'll be cool.
You'll get to see it."
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So, yeah, I took my money that
I was gonna spend on that trip,
and I flew to Mexico.
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It was an awesome experience.
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[Stahelski]
We just put him to work
as little background extras
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and then started
teaching him stunts.
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And then he looked like
one of the guys.
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So, "Hey, just double
this guy in this fight scene."
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He's like,
"What do I gotta do?"
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"Just snap your head
like this."
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I got to work one day on that.
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Brian Thompson throws me
through a wicker chair.
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I was so excited.
Couldn't wait.
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Just do it again.
Take 2. Take 3. Let's do it.
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But luckily it was
a low-budget movie, so they
could only afford one take,
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so one breakaway,
and I was done.
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[Stahelski]
Dave wasn't pretentious at all,
226
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so it wasn't about looking cool
like stunt guys
are trying to look cool.
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He would play any part.
He'd play the guy
that would cry.
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He'd play the homeless guy.
He'd play the cop.
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A lot of stunt guys
just wanted to do the stunt.
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They didn't want to act.
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Dave was like,
"I'll do the part."
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So, very quickly,
his career kind of took off.
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After that couple of years,
we ended up getting
a run on television.
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Chad was doubling
the lead on The Pretender,
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and I was doubling
a ton of different guys.
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There was another thing
that was happening too.
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Martial arts had started
to come to America
in terms of action.
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Shows like
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
or Martial Law.
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And the stunt world
at that time was very cowboy,
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car, motorcycle oriented.
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But now when you had
this really specific need
for martial arts stuntmen,
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we became hot commodities.
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And that's when Chad
got his break
on the first Matrix.
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[Stahelski] Oh, my God.
That was the first time
I met you.
245
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[Reeves] The Matrix.
246
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It's impossible to really talk
about any of the John Wicks
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without talking about Matrix.
248
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-Yeah.
-That's where we all met.
249
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I got this call saying
they were looking for
martial art doubles
250
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for Keanu for a sci-fi movie.
251
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A sci-fi movie!
It was a sci-fi movie.
252
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So I got the call,
and I literally
just went in for an audition,
253
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and that's where I met
Yuen Woo-Ping
and all the guys.
254
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Then they introduced me
to Tiger Chen.
255
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[Reeves] Two-time national
Chinese wushu champion.
256
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[Stahelski] Yeah. It was
pretty mind-blowing actually.
257
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This is Chen Hu.
Call him Tiger Chen.
258
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He was in charge of
training Keanu Reeves
for all the Matrix movies.
259
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He's also my coach.
260
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One of the best performers ever
in wuxia.
261
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So, when I got called
to do the audition in Burbank,
262
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all that was told to me
was it's a Keanu Reeves
sci-fi movie
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and they need some kung fu guy.
Sci-fi movie.
264
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I'm like, "You need kung fu?"
265
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He said, "Just go down there
and audition."
266
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I meet Woo-Ping, I meet
the Wachowskis, and they say,
"Okay, follow him."
267
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And he goes fucking
Wile E. Coyote and just
does the Tasmanian Devil thing.
268
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Some of the best
martial arts stuff
I've ever seen.
269
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And I'm like, "Follow him?"
270
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Every tumbling pass,
every kick, every form,
everything.
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I'm, like,
in jeans and a T-shirt,
dripping in sweat, going,
272
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"Well, this is
a different kind of audition."
273
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He was like jumping,
kicking, punching.
Woo-Ping says, "This is good.
274
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He looks like Keanu, too."
275
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From the very first day,
he's training all the time.
276
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Every day, even the weekend.
277
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Every weekend
he's just calling me.
278
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I was like, you know,
trying to go out and play,
279
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you know, go somewhere to play,
he was calling me, like--
280
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-No, please. Please.
-"Can we training?
Can we training?"
281
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[Stahelski]
Please don't go karaoke.
282
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I just didn't want to suck.
283
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'Cause I saw Keanu,
and how much
they had trained him,
284
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and he had like a six-month
head start, and he was already,
like, really good.
285
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I had to go through so much
training to learn, like,
the kung fu and stuff.
286
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Hong Kong style.
All the wild wirework.
287
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[Stahelski] And wirework
wasn't huge even in
mainstream stunts at the time,
288
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so I'm almost learning
from Keanu a lot of the times.
289
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He had already been doing
the choreography a couple
months at least, right?
290
00:15:19,885 --> 00:15:21,880
And some of your kung fu
was outstanding.
291
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Well, no. Movie kung fu.
292
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The movie kung fu was pretty--
[Reeves] Movie kung fu.
293
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[Stahelski] You'd already got
the forms right,
everything looks good.
294
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You had the flexibility going.
[Reeves] Yeah.
295
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Oh, yeah.
There you are helping me out.
296
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Yeah, there you go.
Yeah. Fucking awesome.
297
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That's Chad into the wall.
298
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That's Chad into the wall.
299
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That's Chad into the ceiling.
300
00:15:42,065 --> 00:15:45,134
Oh, yeah.
Then he's gonna break his knee
coming down from that.
301
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That's right. Yeah.
302
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[Reeves]
There he is on crutches.
303
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[Stahelski] Before and afters.
[Reeves] Before and after.
304
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Yeah. We learned
so much on that show.
Oh, my God.
305
00:15:55,415 --> 00:15:56,952
[Leitch] Chad came back
from The Matrix,
306
00:15:57,188 --> 00:15:59,284
and he was like,
"Here's what's happening, guys.
307
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Like, they shoot
and edit their own stuff.
308
00:16:01,928 --> 00:16:04,062
They choreograph,
and they cut it all together.
309
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:07,456
And they're telling
their own stories
in their own sequences."
310
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And they're like,
"We gotta do this.
311
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This is the way we should
be approaching all this stuff."
312
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[crew member] And action.
313
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[stuntmen grunting]
314
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[Leitch]
We started to do it ourselves,
315
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and we would get
all the martial art
stunt guys together,
316
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and we would choreograph
and edit fight scenes
317
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as an exercise,
but also because
we just loved it.
318
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[Perry] We would go and take
a scene from Jackie Chan,
319
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and we would
recreate that scene.
320
00:16:33,553 --> 00:16:35,317
And it became very apparent
that Chad and Dave
321
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were thinking like directors.
322
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Like, why did
the camera go there?
323
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Why did we use this lens?
How many shots?
324
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How many moves do we hold here
before we move here?
325
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Previs was a game changer.
Now directors saw
what we can do.
326
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[Stahelski]
Soon we became known for that.
327
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People would request them.
Directors would request them.
328
00:16:50,339 --> 00:16:52,136
Somewhere along the way,
we started a stunt team.
329
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Then we started
a stunt company.
330
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-[barking]
-They don't like that camera.
331
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[cameraperson]
They don't like it?
No. I can tell.
332
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[Moneymaker] The idea behind
87eleven was that
it was a one-stop shop.
333
00:17:06,926 --> 00:17:09,490
They were
an action design company.
334
00:17:09,659 --> 00:17:12,230
You come here
and you get a fight team,
a fight coordinator,
335
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stunt coordinator,
second unit director,
the whole package in one.
336
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Whoo!
337
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[Moneymaker] We were all
kind of with this team,
338
00:17:20,170 --> 00:17:21,505
we worked together,
we trained together.
339
00:17:21,607 --> 00:17:23,199
Chad and I got married.
340
00:17:23,368 --> 00:17:25,341
So it was a very fun time.
341
00:17:25,509 --> 00:17:27,571
Cheers.
342
00:17:27,773 --> 00:17:29,838
I'll talk to you in a bit. Bye.
See you later. Bye.
343
00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:31,508
[Hernandez] Even if
we didn't have a project,
344
00:17:31,944 --> 00:17:33,874
Chad would just
make us do drills
like we had a project.
345
00:17:33,943 --> 00:17:36,243
Put us in situations like,
"Choreograph this.
346
00:17:36,446 --> 00:17:39,313
You guys gotta learn
this martial art.
Let's do this. Let's spar.
347
00:17:39,482 --> 00:17:41,551
Let's put a knife in hand.
Let's see what happens
when we do this."
348
00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,225
[Stahelski] Our company
started to get bigger,
349
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and I was the one that was more
of a coordinator first,
350
00:17:46,063 --> 00:17:48,057
so Dave was working
for me a lot.
351
00:17:48,226 --> 00:17:51,600
Dave and Chad. Okay,
let's step out and narrate this
for a second, okay?
352
00:17:51,802 --> 00:17:53,100
[Stahelski] All right...
353
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Two partners.
Two best friends. Here we go.
354
00:17:55,899 --> 00:17:58,700
Aw, see, there's the hug.
Aw. [chuckles]
355
00:17:58,869 --> 00:18:00,538
They were best friends,
thick as thieves.
356
00:18:00,974 --> 00:18:03,411
You know,
always training together,
always working together.
357
00:18:04,548 --> 00:18:06,684
But then we were
very fortunate,
we had a lot of work offers,
358
00:18:06,786 --> 00:18:08,481
so Dave started
doing his thing.
359
00:18:08,883 --> 00:18:11,153
And he became
a stunt coordinator
and a choreographer as well.
360
00:18:11,222 --> 00:18:14,224
[Leitch] Switch your lead
to the right lead.
361
00:18:14,393 --> 00:18:18,459
[Renae] By that time,
they were like
this old married couple
362
00:18:18,661 --> 00:18:22,458
that bickered and fought,
but also, like,
tight as can be.
363
00:18:22,660 --> 00:18:24,859
We used to call them
Dad and Uncle Dad.
364
00:18:25,062 --> 00:18:27,737
[Leitch] Before John Wick,
Chad and I had directed
365
00:18:27,905 --> 00:18:29,202
a lot of second unit together.
366
00:18:29,538 --> 00:18:31,535
And then our company
was getting so many calls
367
00:18:31,604 --> 00:18:33,243
that we started
to work separately.
368
00:18:33,411 --> 00:18:36,214
I was doing big second units.
He was doing big second units.
369
00:18:36,382 --> 00:18:37,972
Action.
370
00:18:38,174 --> 00:18:40,115
We were seeing each other
every day
and talking every day.
371
00:18:40,284 --> 00:18:42,309
We'd riff different ideas
for choreography.
372
00:18:42,512 --> 00:18:45,412
He'd be on, like, TRON
and be like, "Hey, how
do I do laser disc things?"
373
00:18:45,581 --> 00:18:48,786
And I'd be like, "There's
some ideas," and bounce things
off of each other.
374
00:18:52,697 --> 00:18:55,625
[Leitch] You start to realize,
"I'm telling one third
of the story.
375
00:18:55,794 --> 00:18:58,127
I might as well tell
the whole story." [chuckles]
376
00:18:58,296 --> 00:19:00,263
[Stahelski]
Dave was already going down
the first unit director
377
00:19:00,332 --> 00:19:02,140
before I was actually.
378
00:19:02,575 --> 00:19:04,841
I was still, you know,
pretty content doing
all the second unit stuff.
379
00:19:04,909 --> 00:19:06,871
I was really getting the itch,
380
00:19:07,273 --> 00:19:11,011
and I was, like, out there
looking to find scripts
and get them developed,
381
00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:13,448
but to not much success.
382
00:19:14,449 --> 00:19:16,580
They were offered movies
left and right,
383
00:19:16,749 --> 00:19:19,416
but they were all like
the $5 million specials,
384
00:19:19,585 --> 00:19:20,958
and they
turned everything down.
385
00:19:21,127 --> 00:19:23,524
They were waiting
for the right, right project.
386
00:19:26,961 --> 00:19:28,661
At the time,
387
00:19:28,830 --> 00:19:32,797
I had finally optioned
my first screenplay
to Voltage Pictures.
388
00:19:32,966 --> 00:19:36,270
It was 1,500 bucks which,
at the time,
was two months' rent.
389
00:19:36,439 --> 00:19:38,309
And I was trying to figure out
what to do next.
390
00:19:38,478 --> 00:19:41,110
I remember just kind of going,
"I haven't done
a revenge movie."
391
00:19:41,278 --> 00:19:42,670
And our neighbors
were heading out of town,
392
00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:44,774
and they had
just adopted a chorgi,
393
00:19:44,943 --> 00:19:47,615
which is a Chihuahua-corgi,
puppy named Moose.
394
00:19:47,784 --> 00:19:53,450
And I always write
slouched in my chair
with a pillow across my chest,
395
00:19:53,619 --> 00:19:56,227
and the puppy
slept on the pillow.
396
00:19:57,261 --> 00:19:59,296
And I started writing,
and I'd be like,
397
00:19:59,464 --> 00:20:03,060
"Man, what if someone
killed this fucking puppy?"
[laughs]
398
00:20:03,262 --> 00:20:06,802
We had met Derek
on a general meeting.
I'd read another script of his.
399
00:20:07,004 --> 00:20:10,901
And he pitched this. He's like,
"I have this action script
I wrote called Scorn."
400
00:20:11,103 --> 00:20:14,811
I remember vividly
reading it that weekend
and emailing Basil.
401
00:20:14,979 --> 00:20:17,871
I still have the email,
and it was like, "There's
something about this script.
402
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,243
I think it's 'cause
I love dogs.
403
00:20:19,445 --> 00:20:20,576
The villain's really thin,
404
00:20:20,878 --> 00:20:22,646
and it's not perfect
by any means,
405
00:20:22,714 --> 00:20:24,413
but I think
we should go for it."
406
00:20:24,615 --> 00:20:26,747
And he wrote back, "I agree."
407
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:29,159
There was just a clean,
crazy hook.
408
00:20:29,328 --> 00:20:32,357
"You killed my dog,
and now I will exact revenge."
409
00:20:32,526 --> 00:20:34,726
I wrote it
with Paul Newman in mind.
410
00:20:34,895 --> 00:20:37,829
So, he was in his early 70s.
It was a Robert De Niro type.
411
00:20:37,997 --> 00:20:40,329
His wife dies,
he gets the dog,
and the car is stolen,
412
00:20:40,498 --> 00:20:42,030
and he kicks some ass.
413
00:20:42,199 --> 00:20:46,374
The dog was the last tenuous
connection he had to his wife.
414
00:20:46,543 --> 00:20:50,739
But the body count was,
you know, less than two dozen.
415
00:20:50,874 --> 00:20:52,679
[Iwanyk]
But I realized soon afterwards
416
00:20:53,048 --> 00:20:56,181
that I may have
backed myself into a corner
because of the age.
417
00:20:56,249 --> 00:20:58,880
And so then I was thinking,
"Okay, do you go with
slightly younger?
418
00:20:59,048 --> 00:21:00,882
You know,
what's that age underneath it?"
419
00:21:00,984 --> 00:21:03,020
Then we started
thinking about Keanu.
420
00:21:03,455 --> 00:21:06,662
Keanu's agent is Basil's
best friend from childhood
and my first boss.
421
00:21:06,731 --> 00:21:10,292
And he was like, you know,
"Keanu is looking
for something."
422
00:21:10,495 --> 00:21:16,063
[Iwanyk] He just did 47 Ronin
and was just finished shooting
Man of Tai Chi.
423
00:21:16,232 --> 00:21:19,772
He's ready to lean
into his movie star-ness.
424
00:21:19,941 --> 00:21:22,205
'Cause the thing about Keanu,
and a lot of actors like this,
425
00:21:22,374 --> 00:21:25,275
but especially Keanu,
when he feels like
he's repeating himself,
426
00:21:25,444 --> 00:21:27,214
he runs the other way.
427
00:21:27,383 --> 00:21:29,585
And sometimes
you have to get an actor
428
00:21:29,754 --> 00:21:33,422
when he or she is ready
to give the audience
what they want.
429
00:21:33,591 --> 00:21:36,093
And Keanu was at a moment
in time where he's like,
430
00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:38,585
"I'm ready to be
an action star again."
431
00:21:38,754 --> 00:21:42,894
And so we met, and soon
afterwards, he attached
himself to the project.
432
00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:47,829
We took about six months
of developing the script
433
00:21:48,031 --> 00:21:50,471
with Keanu's notes
with Derek Kolstad.
434
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,637
We spent a lot of time together
on that first one,
435
00:21:52,806 --> 00:21:56,273
and it was slow going,
like page, line by line.
436
00:21:56,442 --> 00:21:59,913
He spent just as much time
on other people's dialogue
as he did on himself.
437
00:22:00,082 --> 00:22:04,250
At a certain point,
it was like, "Okay,
how much longer could this go?"
438
00:22:04,385 --> 00:22:06,480
We could develop this forever.
439
00:22:06,882 --> 00:22:08,855
And then, always-- there's
always an inflection point
on these movies, right,
440
00:22:08,924 --> 00:22:11,489
in development, when you
develop with an actor,
where you go,
441
00:22:11,658 --> 00:22:13,531
"Okay,
can we bring a director on?"
442
00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:16,426
And he said yes.
443
00:22:16,594 --> 00:22:20,127
But in the period of our
development, couple things
happened, unfortunately.
444
00:22:20,329 --> 00:22:22,732
47 Ronin came out,
and it didn't do well.
445
00:22:22,934 --> 00:22:25,773
Man of Tai Chi came out
and disappointed.
446
00:22:25,942 --> 00:22:30,504
So the narrative that
Keanu Reeves is an action star
just evaporated.
447
00:22:30,673 --> 00:22:33,982
And all of a sudden,
our director list
went from here to like here.
448
00:22:34,151 --> 00:22:38,551
We're gonna have to really
work hard to find
a proper director for this.
449
00:22:38,754 --> 00:22:40,788
Keanu was like, "Listen,
I'm gonna give the movie
450
00:22:40,957 --> 00:22:43,988
to Chad and Dave
for second unit.
They're action directors.
451
00:22:44,655 --> 00:22:46,562
What if they directed?"
452
00:22:46,764 --> 00:22:51,835
So, from my notes
from an email,
in the forensics of John Wick,
453
00:22:51,937 --> 00:22:53,534
you met with Basil.
454
00:22:53,969 --> 00:22:56,939
I wanted you and Dave
pitched to them
to be the directors
455
00:22:57,008 --> 00:23:00,309
on April 29th, 2013.
456
00:23:00,478 --> 00:23:02,406
A week before,
you had sent me the script.
457
00:23:02,608 --> 00:23:03,872
Yeah.
And we had talked.
458
00:23:04,141 --> 00:23:05,644
And we had talked.
Well, you had sent it to me
459
00:23:05,712 --> 00:23:08,319
for the action.
For the action. Yeah.
460
00:23:08,488 --> 00:23:10,484
I was like, "Yeah"--
Well, no,
I had called for action,
461
00:23:10,653 --> 00:23:13,354
but then I think you
came back to me saying,
462
00:23:13,523 --> 00:23:15,758
"Dave and I
would like to direct it."
463
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,259
Oh, no.
I think you smiled and went,
"Yeah, that's why you're..."
464
00:23:18,461 --> 00:23:20,495
Yeah. And so,
then I was like, Basil--
465
00:23:20,664 --> 00:23:23,700
You were manipulating us.
[laughs]
I was... [mumbles]
466
00:23:23,869 --> 00:23:25,101
But I was hoping.
467
00:23:25,470 --> 00:23:28,636
And then I saw
from Basil's email to me,
468
00:23:28,705 --> 00:23:32,770
he wrote, "Best
directors meeting he's had."
469
00:23:32,972 --> 00:23:35,537
We put together
this incredible lookbook here,
470
00:23:35,739 --> 00:23:41,111
and we started to sort of
build the worlds of John Wick
in the way we saw it.
471
00:23:41,313 --> 00:23:45,579
It was a lot more stylized than
I think anyone saw on the page.
472
00:23:45,748 --> 00:23:48,715
Peace. He's looking for peace.
[chuckles]
Look at that shot of Keanu.
473
00:23:48,884 --> 00:23:50,620
Emotional connection.
474
00:23:50,823 --> 00:23:52,592
See, we said
all the right things.
475
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,463
We talked about it
being a modern fable.
476
00:23:54,665 --> 00:23:57,264
We talked about this sort
of visual minimalism.
477
00:23:57,433 --> 00:23:59,930
She knew
he needed an attachment.
478
00:24:00,099 --> 00:24:03,738
Yep. And that was a whole week
of casting for Daisy.
479
00:24:03,907 --> 00:24:06,567
[Leitch] We wanted
to have a world of,
like, fun cars.
480
00:24:06,736 --> 00:24:11,779
We wanted to have sort of
our exploration of action
and gun fu.
481
00:24:11,947 --> 00:24:14,778
Yeah, and again, sort of
the love letter
to graphic novels
482
00:24:14,947 --> 00:24:17,077
and anime
and all of that that we love.
483
00:24:17,246 --> 00:24:20,818
Transformation.
Guns, lots of guns.
484
00:24:21,021 --> 00:24:25,162
Boogeyman. World.
New York City. The Continental.
485
00:24:25,364 --> 00:24:26,360
They just
didn't talk about the action.
486
00:24:26,428 --> 00:24:27,957
They talked about the emotion
487
00:24:28,393 --> 00:24:30,362
about what the world
looked like
and about everything.
488
00:24:30,430 --> 00:24:32,027
I was blown away.
489
00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:35,499
This is--
It's a pretty damn good
lookbook. [laughs]
490
00:24:35,567 --> 00:24:38,975
You have to remember,
we saw John Wick as like
this tiny little thing.
491
00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:41,769
Two stunt guys directing,
like, "No one's ever gonna see
this thing, so fuck it.
492
00:24:41,937 --> 00:24:45,610
We'll just try some
weird ideas. We'll use it
like as a training exercise."
493
00:24:45,779 --> 00:24:49,113
And, you know,
then they said yes.
494
00:24:49,281 --> 00:24:51,854
And now we're like,
"We better know
what we're doing."
495
00:24:52,056 --> 00:24:55,257
I remember thinking,
"Oh, my God, we got
these two great action guys
496
00:24:55,426 --> 00:24:57,191
before anyone else
can get them.
497
00:24:57,259 --> 00:24:58,956
What a home run."
498
00:24:59,425 --> 00:25:01,555
And I'll never forget,
like three weeks
after we hire them,
499
00:25:01,624 --> 00:25:04,299
Ed Pressman,
the famous Ed Pressman
who's since passed away,
500
00:25:04,468 --> 00:25:06,627
calls me
about something else.
501
00:25:06,796 --> 00:25:10,003
And he goes,
"You stole my directors."
I'm like, "What do you mean?"
502
00:25:10,172 --> 00:25:13,141
"Yeah, we're about to go
into prep on a movie
that I was producing.
503
00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:14,505
They were gonna direct it."
504
00:25:14,674 --> 00:25:15,737
I'm like, "What movie?"
505
00:25:15,806 --> 00:25:17,413
And they're like...
506
00:25:17,915 --> 00:25:20,514
It was a movie
like Midnight Run
with Jean-Claude Van Damme
507
00:25:20,583 --> 00:25:22,611
and PSY
from "Gangnam Style."
508
00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:25,787
And I'm like,
"Those are the directors I got?
That was the other option?"
509
00:25:28,423 --> 00:25:32,022
[Kelley] Uh, the shorter
the beard is, the harder it is
to make it look real.
510
00:25:32,191 --> 00:25:33,787
[Leitch] Well, we would want it
to be a bushy one.
511
00:25:33,956 --> 00:25:35,232
Okay. Right, right.
512
00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:38,995
I mean, we have to make
some hard choices.
513
00:25:39,164 --> 00:25:41,895
I mean,
I was just like pulling,
like what is--
514
00:25:42,097 --> 00:25:44,339
I didn't know what exactly.
515
00:25:44,508 --> 00:25:46,803
Are they more
in this happiness?
516
00:25:46,972 --> 00:25:48,475
Yes, this is
more in their happiness.
517
00:25:48,644 --> 00:25:49,840
We're hoping for that.
Okay, okay.
518
00:25:50,009 --> 00:25:51,647
And of course,
what I worry about this is,
519
00:25:51,816 --> 00:25:54,877
you can see it on this side,
is how patchy that beard is.
520
00:25:55,046 --> 00:25:56,686
I mean,
that doesn't bother me.
521
00:25:56,855 --> 00:25:58,716
If you guys can live with that,
because if we get that short,
522
00:25:58,885 --> 00:26:00,314
I can't add hairs
to fill that in.
523
00:26:00,483 --> 00:26:01,919
[Smith] That doesn't bother me.
This bothers me.
524
00:26:02,288 --> 00:26:03,624
[Stahelski] Anything we do
is gonna get a picture taken
525
00:26:03,693 --> 00:26:05,220
and sent to people
making a decision.
526
00:26:05,389 --> 00:26:06,361
[Leitch] They'll approve
and we'll figure it out.
527
00:26:06,530 --> 00:26:07,992
[Stahelski]
We want the beard.
528
00:26:08,161 --> 00:26:09,863
[Leitch] The distributor
wants him not to have a beard.
529
00:26:10,132 --> 00:26:12,999
Like he's supposed to be
the Keanu Reeves
of The Matrix.
530
00:26:13,068 --> 00:26:15,701
And we're afraid
to shave it off because,
you know,
531
00:26:15,870 --> 00:26:19,040
he's done that look
a million times.
532
00:26:19,209 --> 00:26:22,279
Unfortunately,
they're distributing the movie
and have sold it foreign,
533
00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:24,745
and they know
what their people want, so...
534
00:26:24,914 --> 00:26:27,444
I guess nobody cares
what we want.
Asia hates beards.
535
00:26:27,646 --> 00:26:29,278
[person] I know.
536
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,916
[Stahelski] Asia hates--
[Leitch]
That's what they said.
537
00:26:31,085 --> 00:26:32,253
If we leave a beard,
no one's gonna see the movie.
538
00:26:32,422 --> 00:26:33,754
The movie's gonna flop.
539
00:26:33,923 --> 00:26:35,926
[Stahelski] Can't be
a first-time director--
540
00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:39,091
"First-time directors,
you want to hang it out there
and have a beard? Okay."
541
00:26:41,199 --> 00:26:42,963
Bye-bye, John Wick.
542
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:46,263
Partial bye-bye.
We're not going bye-bye
all the way yet.
543
00:26:46,432 --> 00:26:48,639
[Stahelski] Yeah, no.
It's like,
"Hello, new John Wick."
544
00:26:54,909 --> 00:26:57,571
[Kelley] So,
this is the next guard down.
545
00:26:58,549 --> 00:27:00,576
[Stahelski]
Still looks like a beard.
546
00:27:00,778 --> 00:27:02,750
That's what
I'm concerned about too,
and what they're gonna think.
547
00:27:02,886 --> 00:27:06,051
Looks just like a beard.
[chuckles]
[Reeves laughs]
548
00:27:06,220 --> 00:27:08,483
[Leitch] Go to the next level?
Gotta go to the next level.
549
00:27:09,226 --> 00:27:10,620
Go one more down?
550
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:12,157
Well, that's beard.
551
00:27:14,095 --> 00:27:15,794
[Smith] We're all just like,
holding on.
I know.
552
00:27:15,963 --> 00:27:19,003
They were pretty
straightforward about...
553
00:27:19,205 --> 00:27:20,299
[Kelley] No beard.
Yeah.
554
00:27:20,468 --> 00:27:21,433
[Kelley] Yeah.
555
00:27:21,602 --> 00:27:24,499
[tense music playing]
556
00:27:31,542 --> 00:27:33,248
[Stahelski] We're going to get
action out of the hair.
557
00:27:33,417 --> 00:27:35,015
Gotta get it a little bushy.
558
00:27:36,615 --> 00:27:37,655
A little...
559
00:27:41,421 --> 00:27:42,583
Okay.
560
00:27:46,958 --> 00:27:48,358
Chuck it! Chuck it! Chuck it!
561
00:27:52,161 --> 00:27:53,862
The suit
definitely helps.
562
00:27:54,064 --> 00:27:55,497
It's all about the suit.
563
00:27:56,935 --> 00:27:58,467
It's all about the suit.
564
00:28:04,574 --> 00:28:06,183
[cameraperson]
Tomorrow will be
the first day, right?
565
00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:07,814
Tomorrow will be the first day.
566
00:28:07,983 --> 00:28:09,817
Tomorrow will be
the first day of photography.
567
00:28:09,986 --> 00:28:13,216
[Leitch] We are looking at
the John Wick house,
568
00:28:13,418 --> 00:28:16,460
and it's sort of three-quarters
of the way dressed.
569
00:28:16,628 --> 00:28:19,154
And we're gonna block
some scenes here
570
00:28:19,323 --> 00:28:22,165
and be ready
to shoot tomorrow, hopefully.
571
00:28:22,334 --> 00:28:23,558
We're getting on with it.
572
00:28:28,167 --> 00:28:30,466
[laughs]
[cameraperson]
What does it say?
573
00:28:31,334 --> 00:28:33,040
[Leitch]
We're shooting on Monday?
574
00:28:33,706 --> 00:28:34,637
[phone ringing]
575
00:28:34,806 --> 00:28:36,307
Oh. Peter Lawson.
576
00:28:39,842 --> 00:28:40,883
Pete.
577
00:28:43,049 --> 00:28:44,722
I'm great.
I just got the email.
578
00:28:46,286 --> 00:28:49,753
We are temporarily shut down
until further notice.
579
00:28:49,955 --> 00:28:52,519
It seems our equity investor
580
00:28:52,688 --> 00:28:56,761
who had to come up with
the 6.5 to cover the gap,
581
00:28:56,963 --> 00:29:00,100
um, he's five and a half short.
582
00:29:02,334 --> 00:29:06,103
We had some financiers
coming in to gap finance
583
00:29:06,305 --> 00:29:09,375
because Lionsgate
presold the international,
584
00:29:09,544 --> 00:29:12,539
but there was still a delta
of what we needed
to make the movie.
585
00:29:12,708 --> 00:29:15,618
No one was ready to get onboard
for the domestic.
586
00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:17,854
So it was really
something that, you know,
587
00:29:18,023 --> 00:29:19,922
we were gonna
have to figure out
how to find the money.
588
00:29:21,221 --> 00:29:23,256
I mean, maybe if
we get Lionsgate onboard,
589
00:29:23,425 --> 00:29:27,022
and they take the domestic,
and we could
keep moving forward,
590
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:29,395
but I doubt it at this point.
591
00:29:29,564 --> 00:29:31,634
I think everyone's
just gonna have to take
a kick in the nuts,
592
00:29:31,836 --> 00:29:33,936
and it's all probably
gonna fall apart.
593
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:36,398
That's what I think.
594
00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:42,272
I think this is, uh,
the nail in the coffin. So...
595
00:29:42,441 --> 00:29:44,947
[cameraperson]
You think so, really?
Yeah, I do.
596
00:29:45,115 --> 00:29:47,309
[cameraperson stammers]
Wait, hold on.
No, I mean, I do.
597
00:29:47,511 --> 00:29:49,650
I'm not trying
to be dramatic for, you know,
598
00:29:49,852 --> 00:29:51,912
editorial reasons
for our documentary,
599
00:29:52,081 --> 00:29:56,420
but I don't know how you find
six-and-a-half million dollars
by Monday.
600
00:30:02,291 --> 00:30:05,669
[Stahelski] What little
I know of Basil, I know
he's not a quitter, so...
601
00:30:05,871 --> 00:30:08,267
He's a bit of a fighter,
so we're not dead yet.
602
00:30:09,765 --> 00:30:13,008
We are doomed. I mean,
we are completely fucked.
603
00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:17,412
We just had a gigantic hole.
There was just...
The money wasn't coming.
604
00:30:17,581 --> 00:30:22,142
And I spoke to my lawyer
and I'm like, "Well, say,
if this movie falls apart,
605
00:30:22,244 --> 00:30:23,719
who's gonna sue me?"
606
00:30:24,055 --> 00:30:28,116
And he's like, "IATSE, SAG,
the WGA, DGA." This...
607
00:30:28,185 --> 00:30:29,924
It was, like, horrendous.
608
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,093
And he's like, "Listen,
you gotta just
get this movie made."
609
00:30:32,162 --> 00:30:33,693
[cameraperson]
Say if I was to give you
like six million--
610
00:30:33,895 --> 00:30:35,358
Hey, hon?
Can I call you back?
611
00:30:35,561 --> 00:30:38,000
I got Keanu on the other line,
so I need to talk to him.
612
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:40,527
Thanks, hon. Bye.
613
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:43,764
[Leitch] Hang on one second.
He's on the phone.
614
00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:45,502
Hello.
615
00:30:48,746 --> 00:30:50,309
What's going on?
How you doing?
616
00:30:53,278 --> 00:30:55,677
Nice.
Did Basil give you a call?
617
00:30:58,916 --> 00:31:01,859
He did not, huh?
You haven't talked
to anybody in the office?
618
00:31:04,094 --> 00:31:06,897
Excellent. They're
probably stalling on him.
619
00:31:09,768 --> 00:31:11,825
It's... Yeah, I...
[Leitch] Fucking...
620
00:31:12,294 --> 00:31:15,729
[Stahelski] I'm a little
annoyed, so I think
I'll just tell you myself.
621
00:31:15,798 --> 00:31:17,669
They've had a problem
with their gap finance.
622
00:31:17,838 --> 00:31:19,535
They're coming in.
623
00:31:19,804 --> 00:31:22,176
We've recalled everybody,
and they've pushed us again.
624
00:31:24,116 --> 00:31:26,306
I'm sure they're scrambling
trying to figure something out.
625
00:31:26,474 --> 00:31:28,581
We have a few options around.
626
00:31:28,816 --> 00:31:32,078
Luckily, we know a few people,
so we'll try and close the gap
as fast as we can.
627
00:31:32,214 --> 00:31:37,090
So we'll get back
to the office probably
in the next 45 minutes,
628
00:31:37,292 --> 00:31:40,194
storm into the office
and try to retake the beach.
629
00:31:42,731 --> 00:31:43,825
What did Keanu say?
630
00:31:43,994 --> 00:31:45,034
[chuckles]
631
00:31:46,167 --> 00:31:49,498
You know,
Keanu is a little different.
632
00:31:49,667 --> 00:31:51,700
When he yells and screams,
it's a good thing.
633
00:31:53,978 --> 00:31:55,873
When he gets really,
really, really quiet...
634
00:31:56,042 --> 00:31:57,614
Was he getting really quiet?
635
00:31:57,816 --> 00:32:00,874
He was the most quiet
I've ever heard him.
636
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,458
I reckon we'll lose about
20% of the crew.
637
00:32:14,566 --> 00:32:16,633
There's already people gone.
638
00:32:16,835 --> 00:32:18,534
[Iwanyk] A big part
of the production office
639
00:32:18,703 --> 00:32:20,133
just stopped coming in to work.
640
00:32:20,335 --> 00:32:22,101
But then another part of
the production office came in,
641
00:32:22,270 --> 00:32:23,740
and they would come
in my office, and like,
642
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:26,200
"Do you feel confident
the money will come?"
643
00:32:26,368 --> 00:32:28,239
And I'm like, "I do."
644
00:32:28,408 --> 00:32:34,248
Uh, now, I was lying
because I had no idea.
645
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:37,877
So much so, I had to give
my credit card
to the costume designer
646
00:32:38,046 --> 00:32:42,092
to buy wardrobe, and it was
really, really, really dodgy.
647
00:32:42,261 --> 00:32:47,827
Any chance of reducing
the budget by
six-and-a-half million dollars
648
00:32:47,896 --> 00:32:49,126
and making the movie happen?
649
00:32:49,462 --> 00:32:51,333
That script would
look radically different,
650
00:32:51,468 --> 00:32:54,403
and then you'd have to go back
to all of your
international buyers
651
00:32:54,572 --> 00:33:00,733
and go, "Hey, you paid us,
you know, 250,000
for the rights in Germany,
652
00:33:00,902 --> 00:33:02,836
but this is the script
you're getting now."
653
00:33:03,038 --> 00:33:05,981
And then everyone can go,
"I don't want that script.
654
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:07,950
-I wanted the one
that I bought."
-Right.
655
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,077
And so, you kind of
have to keep the integrity.
656
00:33:10,246 --> 00:33:11,816
You can change it.
657
00:33:11,985 --> 00:33:13,688
Slightly, but not--
658
00:33:13,891 --> 00:33:16,026
[Leitch] Yeah.
Six million dollars.
659
00:33:19,956 --> 00:33:22,662
[Leitch] Keanu gave back money,
Chad and I gave back money.
660
00:33:22,831 --> 00:33:26,366
Like, we all gave back money
of our salaries
to try and close the gap.
661
00:33:27,566 --> 00:33:29,629
I think Keanu had to defer
and write a check...
662
00:33:29,798 --> 00:33:31,336
[Reeves] Yeah.
Some of that going on.
663
00:33:31,505 --> 00:33:33,274
[Stahelski] ...just to keep
our department heads.
664
00:33:34,308 --> 00:33:35,868
[Iwanyk] I remember
I would walk to my hotel
665
00:33:36,071 --> 00:33:39,479
from the production office
for hours because I was like,
666
00:33:39,648 --> 00:33:43,385
"I need to get so tired so
when I get back to the hotel,
I pass out."
667
00:33:43,587 --> 00:33:45,989
Because if I don't,
I'm gonna sit there
and I'm gonna be like,
668
00:33:46,158 --> 00:33:48,018
"I'm fucked, I'm fucked,
I'm fucked, I'm fucked."
669
00:33:48,186 --> 00:33:49,484
We gotta fucking start.
670
00:33:49,686 --> 00:33:51,855
If we don't have
guys on planes by Monday,
671
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:54,559
you might as well
cut the end sequence.
It's gonna be a gunfight.
672
00:33:56,299 --> 00:33:58,464
[Leitch] We've already
pushed for seven days
673
00:33:58,632 --> 00:34:03,002
and that's like
a half million dollars'
worth of money
674
00:34:03,171 --> 00:34:05,369
that just went out
the fucking window
675
00:34:05,538 --> 00:34:10,171
when the mo-- when we
were 600 short to start.
676
00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:11,306
[Stahelski sighs]
677
00:34:11,475 --> 00:34:12,676
[Leitch] It's a fucking mess.
678
00:34:16,453 --> 00:34:20,486
[Iwanyk] And then,
out of nowhere,
the money came through.
679
00:34:24,329 --> 00:34:27,422
[laughs]
680
00:34:27,624 --> 00:34:30,397
Should be fully
financed by tomorrow.
681
00:34:32,363 --> 00:34:34,203
Ready to shoot on Friday.
682
00:34:35,168 --> 00:34:36,998
[Iwanyk] We were blessed.
683
00:34:37,167 --> 00:34:40,207
It was insane that we
pulled this off
in the amount of time we did.
684
00:34:40,376 --> 00:34:42,609
It's gonna be...
This movie's about vengeance.
685
00:34:42,811 --> 00:34:44,347
Not John Wick's.
686
00:34:44,516 --> 00:34:46,015
Ours. [chuckles]
687
00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:47,849
[Iwanyk] And then we find out
while we're shooting
688
00:34:48,018 --> 00:34:49,752
that the money
was never from this guy,
689
00:34:49,921 --> 00:34:51,614
but it was
Eva Longoria's money.
690
00:34:51,817 --> 00:34:56,756
And I didn't tell Keanu
until after the movie wrapped
691
00:34:56,925 --> 00:34:59,190
because I didn't want him
to be like, "What the hell
is going on here?"
692
00:34:59,393 --> 00:35:02,197
So yeah,
if you look at John Wick 1,
693
00:35:02,366 --> 00:35:06,026
Eva Longoria, thank God,
pretty much saved the movie.
694
00:35:07,803 --> 00:35:09,600
We got through it,
695
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:12,371
but I think that it
broke a little bit of
Chad and Dave's spirit
696
00:35:12,439 --> 00:35:14,739
because they were
first-time directors,
697
00:35:14,907 --> 00:35:18,047
and they didn't realize
that sometimes
this is the game.
698
00:35:18,216 --> 00:35:20,275
Things happen, especially
in independent movies.
699
00:35:20,443 --> 00:35:25,155
And so, we went into shooting
the movie. We were already
exhausted as we started.
700
00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:28,420
[Reeves] I mean,
I remember when
I got to New York, and I...
701
00:35:28,589 --> 00:35:30,760
You know, I like to visit
the production office.
702
00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:32,590
See what's going on.
Yeah.
703
00:35:33,026 --> 00:35:37,325
And I took John Saunders,
who was the first AD,
and I was like,
704
00:35:37,393 --> 00:35:39,796
"John, let's look at
the board," you know,
the shooting schedule.
705
00:35:39,964 --> 00:35:41,896
[Stahelski] I remember that.
You wanted to see the schedule.
706
00:35:42,065 --> 00:35:43,933
[Reeves] Yeah.
[Stahelski]
You're a schedule whore.
707
00:35:44,102 --> 00:35:46,841
[Reeves] And I was just like,
"How are we...
We can't shoot that.
708
00:35:47,043 --> 00:35:48,274
Like, how are we
gonna do that?"
709
00:35:48,442 --> 00:35:49,779
I remember you just
were shaking your head.
710
00:35:49,948 --> 00:35:51,841
I was like,
"No, we need more days."
711
00:35:52,243 --> 00:35:54,680
And he's like, "I know."
I'm like,
"We need to get more days."
712
00:35:55,816 --> 00:35:58,613
[Leitch] We could not
wrap our head around
what could go.
713
00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:00,517
How do we do that?
How do we do this?
714
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,759
And Keanu couldn't,
and the writer couldn't,
715
00:36:03,927 --> 00:36:05,787
and the producers couldn't.
716
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:08,761
So we're like,
"We're just gonna make
the movie with less time."
717
00:36:09,897 --> 00:36:11,863
[Stahelski] You know,
we laugh and joke about
it's just a movie,
718
00:36:12,065 --> 00:36:15,167
but we all know, every
crew member knows that
you take it really seriously.
719
00:36:15,336 --> 00:36:17,297
You wanna do
the best job you can.
720
00:36:17,499 --> 00:36:19,273
You don't wanna let down
the people that stuck
their neck out for you,
721
00:36:19,409 --> 00:36:21,301
so you put a lot of pressure
on yourself to do it.
722
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:25,278
I mean, at the end of the day,
we had known Keanu
for like the ten years,
723
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,981
eight years at the time
from all the Matrixes.
724
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:29,945
But it's still Keanu Reeves.
725
00:36:30,114 --> 00:36:31,655
You don't wanna
let this guy down.
Like, he's a pro, man.
726
00:36:31,823 --> 00:36:33,284
This is Keanu-fucking-Reeves.
727
00:36:33,453 --> 00:36:34,815
Like, you do not
wanna let him down
728
00:36:34,984 --> 00:36:37,955
no matter what you think
the movie's gonna be.
729
00:36:38,124 --> 00:36:40,856
So we decided to give it
our all and put
a lot of stress on ourselves.
730
00:36:41,025 --> 00:36:43,296
[crew member] Guys,
gotta keep moving.
Gotta keep moving.
731
00:36:43,465 --> 00:36:45,059
[crew member 2] Rolling!
[crew member 3] Rolling!
732
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:47,501
[crew member 4] Action!
733
00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:53,332
We were just
assaulted with problems.
734
00:36:53,501 --> 00:36:54,642
Go, go, go.
735
00:36:54,811 --> 00:36:56,041
Shoot, shoot.
736
00:36:56,209 --> 00:36:58,171
[intense music playing]
737
00:37:01,351 --> 00:37:03,312
[Leitch] Problems
from different departments
738
00:37:03,481 --> 00:37:04,646
and then budgetary problems.
739
00:37:04,815 --> 00:37:06,985
Gotta figure out
what scenes we can cut.
740
00:37:07,154 --> 00:37:08,750
[indistinct chatter]
741
00:37:08,952 --> 00:37:11,657
The usual on John Wick,
what scenes we can cut.
742
00:37:12,792 --> 00:37:14,363
'Cause we never
have time to shoot 'em all.
743
00:37:15,798 --> 00:37:18,258
In low-budget filmmaking,
you have to be
in your own movies.
744
00:37:18,460 --> 00:37:21,335
I would like to say this was
a creative choice,
but it was budgetary.
745
00:37:21,504 --> 00:37:23,768
And then logistically shooting
in New York problems.
746
00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:26,674
[crew member] Excuse me,
you gotta keep moving.
Active walkway.
747
00:37:26,843 --> 00:37:28,168
[siren blares]
748
00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:31,906
[Leitch] I think it was just
the movie gods hated us.
749
00:37:32,109 --> 00:37:35,615
So we are on the cover
of the New York Post today.
750
00:37:35,817 --> 00:37:40,048
Vinny's fine work
in the prop department
is featured.
751
00:37:41,226 --> 00:37:43,216
Makeup's fine work.
Hair's fine work.
752
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:47,524
-[Reeves]
The all-hands-on-deck...
-[Stahelski] That really helps.
753
00:37:47,726 --> 00:37:50,126
...on John Wick 1
was extraordinary.
754
00:37:50,328 --> 00:37:54,132
When we went in to start
crewing up, I mean,
we were a tiny little movie.
755
00:37:54,334 --> 00:37:58,304
No one was sure if we
were gonna go. So, we couldn't
really book a lot of crew.
756
00:37:58,506 --> 00:38:00,200
So, it was catch-as-catch-can
with the crew.
757
00:38:00,368 --> 00:38:02,569
We just take interviews
and whoever was
kind of available,
758
00:38:02,737 --> 00:38:04,209
whatever we... You know.
759
00:38:04,377 --> 00:38:05,738
People had to cut their rates.
760
00:38:05,907 --> 00:38:08,051
And then
for the prop department
761
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:11,948
we got, no joke,
Vinny Mazzarella and Joey.
762
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:13,917
[Reeves] Yeah, Joey Coppola.
[Stahelski] Joey Coppola.
763
00:38:14,353 --> 00:38:17,350
I mean, Vinny Mazzarella
and Joey Coppola,
those were our prop masters.
764
00:38:17,418 --> 00:38:21,057
And they were
just the coolest guys,
and they just got it.
765
00:38:21,226 --> 00:38:25,435
I mean, Vinny, like,
stopping-- Like,
we needed a garbage truck.
766
00:38:25,603 --> 00:38:29,230
And he's running on the street.
He's running down the street.
767
00:38:29,432 --> 00:38:32,004
[Stahelski]
2:00 a.m. in Chinatown
in New York on John Wick 2,
768
00:38:32,206 --> 00:38:35,811
we decided we wanted
a garbage truck to come in
the alley and back like--
769
00:38:35,979 --> 00:38:37,643
Yeah, back John Wick up.
770
00:38:37,812 --> 00:38:39,740
Vinny just said,
"What do you guys got
in your pockets?"
771
00:38:39,909 --> 00:38:41,283
We gave him a couple twenties.
Yeah.
772
00:38:41,452 --> 00:38:43,576
He came back in five minutes
with a garbage truck.
773
00:38:43,745 --> 00:38:45,288
With a garbage truck.
774
00:38:45,457 --> 00:38:47,621
He paid
the city garbage truck driver
a hundred bucks.
775
00:38:50,295 --> 00:38:51,986
[Reeves] I mean,
you make connections on films,
776
00:38:52,422 --> 00:38:54,526
but the connections
that were made
on this were really special.
777
00:38:54,595 --> 00:38:56,194
They were pretty good.
Yeah, we got lucky.
778
00:38:56,396 --> 00:38:58,295
Personal and creative.
Yep.
779
00:38:58,463 --> 00:39:00,128
You know?
Good people.
780
00:39:00,297 --> 00:39:03,433
Loving, who love their work,
who are amazing
at what they do.
781
00:39:03,602 --> 00:39:05,436
And they love the pain.
[laughs]
782
00:39:05,605 --> 00:39:07,336
And they--
And who love the pain.
783
00:39:07,505 --> 00:39:09,203
They love to suffer.
784
00:39:21,985 --> 00:39:23,822
Literally the day before
we started shooting,
785
00:39:24,923 --> 00:39:27,891
I saw Chad in the corner
like brooding, angry.
786
00:39:28,093 --> 00:39:29,895
I went to Dave, I'm like,
"What's Chad upset about?
787
00:39:30,097 --> 00:39:32,301
Like, somebody from the movie?"
He's like, "No, it's his wife,"
788
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:34,534
and this and that.
I'm like, "What do you mean?"
789
00:39:34,703 --> 00:39:36,400
He's like, "Yeah,
I think they're separating."
790
00:39:36,603 --> 00:39:38,702
I'm like,
"Now?" This movie?
791
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:42,042
We just got through hell
financing the movie.
792
00:39:42,211 --> 00:39:43,243
I wasn't getting paid.
793
00:39:43,445 --> 00:39:44,808
Not only
was I not getting paid,
794
00:39:44,977 --> 00:39:47,708
I took money out of our house
to fill some holes.
795
00:39:47,877 --> 00:39:49,680
And I'm like, "How can this be?
796
00:39:49,848 --> 00:39:52,147
How many more hits
can this movie take?"
797
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,914
Hey.
Hey. How are you?
798
00:39:55,116 --> 00:39:56,855
[Iwanyk]
And I spoke to Chad about it.
799
00:39:57,024 --> 00:39:58,358
I'm just like, "I don't care
what you're going through.
800
00:39:58,694 --> 00:40:00,958
You gotta just suck it up
and get through this."
801
00:40:01,027 --> 00:40:02,861
And he's like, "Absolutely,
don't worry about it."
802
00:40:03,029 --> 00:40:05,567
He's like, "I'll be dark
and self-loathing in private."
803
00:40:07,395 --> 00:40:10,063
[Stahelski] We went through
a horrible breakup.
804
00:40:10,232 --> 00:40:12,574
So I did the whole movie
separated from Heidi.
805
00:40:13,872 --> 00:40:15,941
When he's locked in
on something,
806
00:40:16,144 --> 00:40:19,843
when he's focused,
it's really hard
to penetrate the wall, right?
807
00:40:20,012 --> 00:40:23,683
So, I think in a relationship,
you know, it's hard,
808
00:40:23,852 --> 00:40:26,620
because when you're looking
for an emotional connection,
809
00:40:26,822 --> 00:40:30,120
or you're looking for
some kind of,
you know, something,
810
00:40:30,322 --> 00:40:33,029
and he's just
laser focused on something,
you can't get through.
811
00:40:33,198 --> 00:40:34,855
She felt
she needed something more,
812
00:40:35,024 --> 00:40:37,299
and fortunately
I agreed with her.
813
00:40:37,501 --> 00:40:39,092
And then we managed
to get back together again,
814
00:40:39,261 --> 00:40:42,568
of course after post
when I have all this time,
815
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:47,135
only to get divorced
on John Wick 2. [laughs]
816
00:40:47,337 --> 00:40:50,607
So, you can see I'm laughing
at my own complete ineptitude
817
00:40:50,776 --> 00:40:52,482
to sort that out
and balance my life.
818
00:40:55,554 --> 00:40:57,812
[Leitch] What was really
frustrating for me was that,
819
00:40:58,014 --> 00:40:59,920
when we got
our one fucking chance
820
00:41:00,089 --> 00:41:03,153
that I personally
had been working on potentially
a lot harder than you
821
00:41:03,355 --> 00:41:07,255
to get out there
in the director world,
and you're gonna blow it up.
822
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:11,799
It was hard for me
to be empathetic
'cause it didn't feel fair.
823
00:41:11,934 --> 00:41:13,867
Two weeks in,
Basil called me on a Sunday
and was like,
824
00:41:14,236 --> 00:41:17,969
"You need to be in New York.
These two are not
talking to each other."
825
00:41:18,038 --> 00:41:20,442
[Iwanyk] I actually thought
that two first-time directors
826
00:41:20,611 --> 00:41:22,976
would be better than
one first-time director
because,
827
00:41:23,145 --> 00:41:26,240
you know, two sets of hands,
you get more done
than one set of hands.
828
00:41:26,409 --> 00:41:28,446
Their disagreements seemed
like it was a progression
829
00:41:28,615 --> 00:41:30,644
through the course of shooting.
830
00:41:30,813 --> 00:41:35,190
It's almost like
the outside enemy of getting
the film produced was gone,
831
00:41:35,392 --> 00:41:37,186
so now
the infighting could start.
832
00:41:37,388 --> 00:41:41,259
I remember they spent
an hour fighting over
colors of bedsheets.
833
00:41:41,428 --> 00:41:44,358
Fucking, it's supposed to be
a fucking cool, hip place
where you wanna be.
834
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,968
And it's like
a fucking lavender
purple fucking thing.
835
00:41:49,137 --> 00:41:51,503
[Iwanyk]
You know, in retrospect,
I was naive to be surprised.
836
00:41:51,672 --> 00:41:53,375
I think we
probably argued every day.
837
00:41:53,578 --> 00:41:55,037
But I don't think
it was an actual argument.
838
00:41:55,106 --> 00:41:57,008
I think it was we were both
stressed out,
839
00:41:57,477 --> 00:41:59,372
and we kind of took it out
each other 'cause when you
love each other,
840
00:41:59,441 --> 00:42:00,976
those are the people
you take it out on first.
841
00:42:01,144 --> 00:42:02,881
[Leitch] You know what,
do your fucking job.
842
00:42:03,250 --> 00:42:06,121
Making that movie
was like watching my parents
get divorced.
843
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:09,959
We would wrap at like 3:00
in the morning, and I
would like cry walking home,
844
00:42:10,128 --> 00:42:11,720
being like, "What is this?"
845
00:42:11,922 --> 00:42:14,193
It's horrible, man.
[laughs]
846
00:42:14,362 --> 00:42:17,857
It's like Mom and Dad fighting
all the time.
I'm gonna need counseling.
847
00:42:18,026 --> 00:42:19,668
They're busy thinking.
848
00:42:19,836 --> 00:42:21,695
I think they're working out
their information for the day
849
00:42:21,864 --> 00:42:24,004
in their heads, maybe.
850
00:42:24,273 --> 00:42:26,170
At least that's what
I'm hoping that they're doing
during the silence.
851
00:42:26,272 --> 00:42:29,572
It wasn't about creativity.
It was about management styles.
852
00:42:29,674 --> 00:42:31,204
And I think that Chad,
853
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,308
he gets a lot of juice
by blowing things up
for a second
854
00:42:34,377 --> 00:42:37,550
and then having people run
to put them back together.
855
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,018
And I just
don't operate that way.
856
00:42:41,117 --> 00:42:43,526
Do you like this
or do you like that?
857
00:42:43,695 --> 00:42:47,695
Does he put anything in his...
He takes his coffee black?
858
00:42:47,864 --> 00:42:49,930
[Stahelski]
Black like his snot.
[Leitch] Like his soul.
859
00:42:50,133 --> 00:42:51,263
Like his soul.
860
00:42:51,465 --> 00:42:53,094
[Reeves] How about that.
861
00:42:53,297 --> 00:42:54,767
[Stahelski] Is he
a single serving kinda guy?
862
00:42:55,003 --> 00:42:58,540
The irony of John Wick 1
was Chad and Dave were really,
863
00:42:58,676 --> 00:43:00,740
really, really comfortable
with the action sequences.
864
00:43:00,909 --> 00:43:03,008
The dramatic sequences
and the acting sequences,
865
00:43:03,177 --> 00:43:05,044
they were less so,
because they'd never really
done it.
866
00:43:05,212 --> 00:43:08,182
And so,
it was a strange paradox
from what you usually deal with
867
00:43:08,351 --> 00:43:10,115
from first-time directors.
868
00:43:10,317 --> 00:43:12,217
Usually, first-time directors
get overwhelmed by
action sequences,
869
00:43:12,386 --> 00:43:15,450
and the performance stuff
comes naturally.
It was flipped on this movie.
870
00:43:15,652 --> 00:43:18,223
I think we shot
inside the house for like
nine days, or seven days.
871
00:43:18,392 --> 00:43:20,890
Yeah. No, we camped out there.
There was a lot of John Wick
moping around,
872
00:43:21,059 --> 00:43:23,089
and we're like,
"This is the character."
873
00:43:23,224 --> 00:43:24,730
Remember how much we did?
Yeah.
874
00:43:25,033 --> 00:43:27,699
[Reeves] Because he's
breaking up you two, right?
875
00:43:27,768 --> 00:43:28,896
[Leitch]
He's breaking up your...
876
00:43:29,232 --> 00:43:30,705
[Stahelski]
Dave and I were so nervous
877
00:43:30,774 --> 00:43:32,599
that they were only
going to see us as stunt guys.
878
00:43:32,768 --> 00:43:34,600
We can't focus on the action.
We have to focus
about the acting,
879
00:43:34,769 --> 00:43:37,072
and the emotion,
and the pain
that this man is suffering.
880
00:43:37,241 --> 00:43:41,077
So we spent nine days
of a very small budget,
881
00:43:41,246 --> 00:43:44,612
very small schedule movie
of Keanu moping around,
882
00:43:44,781 --> 00:43:47,921
of Keanu cleaning out
the closet and packing
his wife's clothes up,
883
00:43:48,089 --> 00:43:50,992
and sitting there
staring into the darkness
and the abyss.
884
00:43:51,194 --> 00:43:55,458
I remember like on day three,
Keanu didn't say a word
for three days.
885
00:43:55,627 --> 00:43:57,163
He'd wake up,
886
00:43:57,365 --> 00:43:58,462
brush his teeth,
887
00:43:58,631 --> 00:43:59,727
look into a mirror,
888
00:43:59,896 --> 00:44:01,002
go across the floor,
889
00:44:01,204 --> 00:44:02,334
fill a dog bowl,
890
00:44:02,536 --> 00:44:03,630
say, "Come over here,"
891
00:44:03,798 --> 00:44:05,133
wake up,
892
00:44:05,302 --> 00:44:07,768
and the footage
was like mind-numbingly boring.
893
00:44:07,937 --> 00:44:09,402
And it was endless.
894
00:44:09,571 --> 00:44:11,780
You have a lot of John Wick
eating cereal by himself.
895
00:44:11,949 --> 00:44:14,147
Book making, right?
Remember he did
book restoration?
896
00:44:14,316 --> 00:44:17,316
I forgot that.
We wanted to show something,
that he's very precise...
897
00:44:17,485 --> 00:44:18,984
Precise.
Methodical.
898
00:44:19,153 --> 00:44:22,418
So we shot for like two days
of Keanu doing bookbinding.
899
00:44:22,587 --> 00:44:26,095
That's how terrified we were
of being pigeonholed
as action guys.
900
00:44:26,264 --> 00:44:28,457
Oh, the kick in the head.
901
00:44:28,625 --> 00:44:29,760
[groans]
902
00:44:29,929 --> 00:44:32,134
I like
this reaction.
I do too.
903
00:44:32,303 --> 00:44:35,529
You don't see that reaction
a lot with, you know,
like that kind of spasmy thing.
904
00:44:35,731 --> 00:44:38,467
You know, you fucking
vapor lock when you're
in fucking pain.
905
00:44:38,636 --> 00:44:40,170
[dog whines]
906
00:44:40,339 --> 00:44:41,701
-[Reeves] Oh, right,
killing the dog.
-[Stahelski] Yeah.
907
00:44:41,903 --> 00:44:43,009
[dog yelps]
908
00:44:43,775 --> 00:44:45,473
[imitates yelp]
Oof.
909
00:44:45,642 --> 00:44:47,810
You should have heard
that test screening
the first time. Oof.
910
00:44:47,978 --> 00:44:49,547
Never won that audience back.
911
00:44:49,749 --> 00:44:51,285
Oh, yeah?
[laughs] Oh, yeah.
912
00:44:51,454 --> 00:44:53,180
Our first test screening--
913
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:55,222
How'd that go?
That dog-- That dog went.
914
00:44:55,424 --> 00:44:57,225
The audience went quiet,
915
00:44:57,427 --> 00:44:59,487
and people were walking out.
916
00:44:59,656 --> 00:45:02,329
The movie
was still pretty rough.
It was still really long.
917
00:45:02,497 --> 00:45:03,896
But yeah, it got weird.
918
00:45:04,098 --> 00:45:08,962
It is one of the most
famous principles in Hollywood
919
00:45:09,130 --> 00:45:10,535
is you never kill a dog.
920
00:45:10,704 --> 00:45:12,905
As soon as a dog is killed,
921
00:45:13,108 --> 00:45:18,012
you almost always are losing
a big chunk of the audience.
922
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:21,147
[Reeves]
Oh, yeah, the blood shot.
[Stahelski] Yeah, blood shot.
923
00:45:21,316 --> 00:45:24,516
The puppy crawled his way
back to his owner
before he died.
924
00:45:24,685 --> 00:45:25,682
[imitates dog whimpering]
925
00:45:25,851 --> 00:45:27,423
When these dailies got back,
926
00:45:27,625 --> 00:45:29,652
we actually got
a stern talking to about,
927
00:45:29,821 --> 00:45:33,558
"Oh, fuck, you guys. What are
you-- like, what the fuck
are you guys doing?"
928
00:45:33,726 --> 00:45:35,061
You cannot kill the dog.
929
00:45:36,062 --> 00:45:39,201
"You're doing puppy porn,
like, gore."
930
00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:42,398
I'm like, "No, man, we got
the baby lens on. It's going
to be really artistic."
931
00:45:42,567 --> 00:45:45,708
They're like, "The puppy's
intestines are on the floor."
932
00:45:45,877 --> 00:45:47,510
I'm like, "It's not intestines.
It's just blood."
933
00:45:47,678 --> 00:45:49,401
We had a whole
argument about that shot.
934
00:45:49,570 --> 00:45:52,739
I remember shooting
the dog's death,
935
00:45:52,907 --> 00:45:57,116
and Keanu was on the floor
crying with
this stuffed beagle.
936
00:45:58,754 --> 00:46:00,013
And at that moment,
you're like,
937
00:46:00,182 --> 00:46:02,623
"This is either genius or,
938
00:46:02,825 --> 00:46:04,525
like, the worst thing
I've ever made."
939
00:46:04,694 --> 00:46:05,891
We always knew
we were gonna do it.
940
00:46:06,059 --> 00:46:07,554
Oh, yeah.
I mean,
it's the movie.
941
00:46:07,723 --> 00:46:09,093
There were others that kept
trying to talk us out of it,
942
00:46:09,195 --> 00:46:10,564
but we're like, "No,
we got to kill the"--
943
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,702
You got to--
[stutters]
Where's the movie?
944
00:46:12,771 --> 00:46:14,762
Yeah, we didn't
have a movie
without the puppy.
945
00:46:14,997 --> 00:46:17,706
[Reeves] No, you got to
kill the puppy so
you're killing the attachment.
946
00:46:17,841 --> 00:46:20,038
But I think there was
more talks about that.
947
00:46:20,207 --> 00:46:21,877
There was that and then
killing Alfie at the end.
948
00:46:22,045 --> 00:46:24,239
You can't just kill Alfie Allen
cold-blooded like we did,
949
00:46:24,407 --> 00:46:26,043
'cause that's
pretty icy fucking cold.
950
00:46:26,212 --> 00:46:29,044
Iosef, got to go.
You can't kill the puppy.
951
00:46:29,213 --> 00:46:30,585
And his wife--
Puppy's gotta go.
952
00:46:30,754 --> 00:46:32,720
And his wife has to--
We have to find out
953
00:46:32,888 --> 00:46:34,619
that his wife
was poisoned by the bad guys.
954
00:46:34,787 --> 00:46:36,386
No, the wife has to die.
955
00:46:36,554 --> 00:46:39,325
Those were the three notes we
got back from certain peoples.
956
00:46:39,527 --> 00:46:43,227
Even the night we were doing
the puppy, we knew
we had something good when--
957
00:46:43,396 --> 00:46:45,562
I think because we shot that
push-in over the blood first.
958
00:46:45,731 --> 00:46:46,963
[Reeves] Yeah.
959
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:48,630
And then,
you're just petting the puppy.
960
00:46:48,765 --> 00:46:49,800
Yeah.
961
00:46:49,969 --> 00:46:50,900
We're like, "That's awesome.
962
00:46:51,068 --> 00:46:52,433
That's going in the movie."
963
00:46:52,602 --> 00:46:54,470
And there was a lot of talk
behind monitors that,
964
00:46:54,638 --> 00:46:57,944
like, "Oh, no, we got to shoot
a second... a second version."
965
00:46:58,113 --> 00:47:00,111
Chad wasn't much of
a dog person back then.
966
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,412
Now he's got dogs,
and he's a dog person,
967
00:47:02,580 --> 00:47:04,477
and he's embraced them,
and he's done movies with dogs,
968
00:47:04,646 --> 00:47:06,349
and he's trained them
since they were puppies,
969
00:47:06,551 --> 00:47:09,185
and they bite people in the
neck and the balls and shit.
970
00:47:09,387 --> 00:47:11,789
But he never had dogs
back in John Wick.
971
00:47:11,957 --> 00:47:13,588
Like, he wouldn't go, like,
972
00:47:13,756 --> 00:47:16,495
"Chad's gonna direct this
heartwarming movie about a dog,
973
00:47:16,664 --> 00:47:18,029
a guy and his dog."
974
00:47:18,231 --> 00:47:20,495
That would have not been
Chad's first choice.
975
00:47:20,664 --> 00:47:23,431
Which is partly why it was so
easy to kill the dog, maybe.
976
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,365
He was just like,
"We just get rid of the dog,
977
00:47:26,567 --> 00:47:28,210
then I don't have
to direct a dog."
978
00:47:28,412 --> 00:47:29,477
And now it's funny.
979
00:47:29,779 --> 00:47:31,606
All there are are dogs.
[chuckles]
980
00:47:31,674 --> 00:47:33,675
If that's the journey
that Chad's taken away,
981
00:47:33,911 --> 00:47:37,144
like he's become a dog lover,
then I'm glad
we created John Wick.
982
00:47:37,279 --> 00:47:40,383
Because it's huge for me.
983
00:47:40,585 --> 00:47:43,888
There's a guy that could be
getting a bead on you here.
984
00:47:44,091 --> 00:47:45,824
Which is why
you're hauling ass...
985
00:47:45,993 --> 00:47:48,364
Okay.
It's more like,
"Oh, fuck."
986
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:52,794
Sometimes people ask us,
"What shot in John Wick 1 is
Dave's and what shot is yours?"
987
00:47:52,929 --> 00:47:56,135
I'm like,
"I don't fucking know."
Everything was a conversation.
988
00:47:56,304 --> 00:47:58,371
He'd be setting up A camera,
I'm setting up B camera.
989
00:47:58,540 --> 00:48:00,968
It was just such
an organic process. We'd
worked together so many times.
990
00:48:01,137 --> 00:48:03,645
We just knew this is
what we ought to do. We gotta
get this done. Let's go.
991
00:48:03,814 --> 00:48:04,980
Let's come up
with the best idea.
992
00:48:08,711 --> 00:48:12,020
[Stahelski] Dave had a much
more grounded sensibility.
993
00:48:12,189 --> 00:48:15,890
I was influenced more
by Tolkien
and Japanese anime and manga.
994
00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:19,086
And Dave wanted to be more
grounded, gritty, emotional.
995
00:48:19,288 --> 00:48:20,486
We gotta make it painful.
996
00:48:20,655 --> 00:48:22,256
So we both saw the movie
in different ways
997
00:48:22,458 --> 00:48:24,264
and we landed
in that sweet spot.
998
00:48:24,466 --> 00:48:26,996
Especially in the time period
with all the shaky cam
stuff going on.
999
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:29,103
That's why John Wick clicked.
1000
00:48:30,636 --> 00:48:34,601
Dave and Chad created that-- we
called it the John Wick style,
1001
00:48:34,803 --> 00:48:37,441
which was like long takes
and 30-beat fight scenes
1002
00:48:37,643 --> 00:48:41,012
where you're doing
like judo/jujitsu
with a gun in your hand.
1003
00:48:41,181 --> 00:48:42,881
That was something
created out of necessity
1004
00:48:43,050 --> 00:48:45,351
because of lack
of time and money.
1005
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:47,614
When you do
the punches and kicks,
you need the coverage, right?
1006
00:48:47,816 --> 00:48:49,956
You need over the shoulder.
You gotta sell the hit.
1007
00:48:50,158 --> 00:48:51,685
And we just didn't
have that kind of time.
1008
00:48:51,854 --> 00:48:54,258
So we all talked about, "Well,
how are we gonna do this?"
1009
00:48:54,427 --> 00:48:56,425
Well, we're gonna take judo
and aikido and like--
1010
00:48:56,594 --> 00:48:58,293
Wick is kind of the guy
that's going to grab you.
1011
00:48:58,495 --> 00:49:00,767
If I got your collar...
Yeah, you got him.
1012
00:49:00,936 --> 00:49:02,269
...it was over.
Yeah, he got you.
1013
00:49:02,438 --> 00:49:03,871
It was over.
1014
00:49:04,073 --> 00:49:05,533
But that's
the vibe we wanted.
It was over.
1015
00:49:05,835 --> 00:49:08,937
It was just like if I got
a collar, inside, anywhere,
1016
00:49:09,006 --> 00:49:12,704
if I got a collar coming--
it's just like,
"We're going, bye."
1017
00:49:12,873 --> 00:49:15,381
You have no choice.
You're in the machine.
1018
00:49:15,550 --> 00:49:19,078
You're going down.
You're spinning.
You're being twisted.
1019
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,582
But you had thought
about using that before
you did John Wick--
1020
00:49:21,718 --> 00:49:23,619
Yeah, we just never really
had the character for it.
1021
00:49:24,021 --> 00:49:27,662
You kind of implemented me
into like, "Let's see
if this can work."
1022
00:49:27,731 --> 00:49:29,762
Yeah, well, we had--
Take actor.
1023
00:49:29,931 --> 00:49:32,398
And experiment.
And experiment.
1024
00:49:32,566 --> 00:49:34,897
"Oh, yeah, he'll do it. I know
that guy. He'll come to train."
1025
00:49:35,066 --> 00:49:38,566
We had the close-quarter
choreography kind of worked out
with the gun stuff.
1026
00:49:38,735 --> 00:49:41,506
We just couldn't find
the test subject.
Yeah.
1027
00:49:41,708 --> 00:49:44,606
Once John Wick came about,
Chad and Dave
right away were like,
1028
00:49:44,808 --> 00:49:47,483
"Bring up the Safe footage.
Bring up the Safe concepts.
1029
00:49:47,651 --> 00:49:48,677
That's Wick right there."
1030
00:49:57,492 --> 00:49:59,858
[Eusebio] Back in the day, we
used to do-- well, we still do.
1031
00:50:00,061 --> 00:50:01,654
We do a lot of
Jason Statham films.
1032
00:50:01,857 --> 00:50:03,865
I remember there's one
movie called Safe.
1033
00:50:04,067 --> 00:50:06,125
And we were designing
concepts for that film.
1034
00:50:06,294 --> 00:50:12,037
And Chad challenged everybody
to combine jujitsu
and judo with gun stuff.
1035
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,536
And if you look back
at the Safe previses,
1036
00:50:14,739 --> 00:50:18,806
it's all the moves and all
the style of John Wick 1.
1037
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:24,516
For gun fu,
you did the mix of airsofts
1038
00:50:24,685 --> 00:50:27,717
and use visual effects
for the muzzle flashes
and blood spurts.
1039
00:50:27,919 --> 00:50:30,850
Because back in the day,
we were using blanks,
real guns to shoot.
1040
00:50:31,019 --> 00:50:33,125
So you can't do
close quarter stuff.
It's dangerous.
1041
00:50:33,294 --> 00:50:35,392
At a certain range,
it's still lethal.
1042
00:50:35,594 --> 00:50:37,192
Usually it's like,
once you fire a gun,
you cut.
1043
00:50:37,361 --> 00:50:39,367
And show the guy
firing the gun,
1044
00:50:39,536 --> 00:50:41,896
and then you're on
the reverse so you know
you're in the safe zone.
1045
00:50:42,099 --> 00:50:44,530
So we're doing shots
that aren't cut
right in front of each other,
1046
00:50:44,699 --> 00:50:46,502
shooting each
other point-blank.
1047
00:50:46,671 --> 00:50:48,901
When they cut it together
and put the muzzle flash
1048
00:50:49,103 --> 00:50:51,337
and the blood splatter on it,
we all were like, "Oh, shit."
1049
00:50:51,506 --> 00:50:53,916
It was cooler than anything
we were doing in any movies
we were working on.
1050
00:50:54,118 --> 00:50:56,510
[Perry] We sent it to Chad
and he damn lost his mind.
1051
00:50:56,645 --> 00:50:57,917
[Leitch] And I was
looking at it like,
1052
00:50:58,287 --> 00:50:59,713
"Dude, we got to get this
in a freaking movie.
1053
00:50:59,781 --> 00:51:02,081
Like, this is insane.
This is awesome."
1054
00:51:02,283 --> 00:51:04,817
[Marinas] What's funny is
we all thought Jason
would murder that.
1055
00:51:04,986 --> 00:51:07,089
Like, he's so good at action,
that should be easy.
1056
00:51:07,291 --> 00:51:09,756
And in classic Jason style,
1057
00:51:09,959 --> 00:51:12,829
love him to death,
he had notes,
he had thoughts.
1058
00:51:12,998 --> 00:51:15,333
You know, maybe he
didn't want this. Maybe it was
a little too stylized.
1059
00:51:15,502 --> 00:51:17,729
I don't know what it was,
but for some reason,
1060
00:51:17,898 --> 00:51:19,601
Statham didn't
gel with the style.
1061
00:51:19,804 --> 00:51:23,605
I was kind of like, "You got
to be shitting me right now.
1062
00:51:23,807 --> 00:51:26,511
This is the coolest stuff
I've seen in so long."
1063
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:29,150
That being said, they ended up
doing some small pieces of it.
1064
00:51:29,352 --> 00:51:32,554
If you watch Safe,
there's a little bit
hand-to-hand.
1065
00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:36,381
It's the introduction of it,
you know, in that one fight
in the restaurant.
1066
00:51:36,550 --> 00:51:41,021
There's just like
a couple moments where, like,
you see gun fu come to life.
1067
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:44,064
But I think at that point,
Chad was like, you know,
"Fuck this.
1068
00:51:44,233 --> 00:51:46,400
We're holding this
until we get our shot.
1069
00:51:46,569 --> 00:51:48,904
Like, we're not letting
anyone else
see this, because..."
1070
00:51:49,073 --> 00:51:51,039
He was right.
It was gonna
blow people away.
1071
00:51:51,242 --> 00:51:53,432
And I mean, we were so
excited to put it into Wick.
1072
00:51:53,601 --> 00:51:55,775
Like, we couldn't wait.
1073
00:51:55,943 --> 00:51:59,574
[Eusebio] It's funny because
even though they're both
great action icons,
1074
00:51:59,743 --> 00:52:02,313
Jason's a bad-ass
physical specimen too,
1075
00:52:02,516 --> 00:52:04,912
it just looked different
when Reeves was doing it.
1076
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:20,127
[Eusebio] If you say gun fu,
you automatically think
Keanu Reeves.
1077
00:52:20,296 --> 00:52:21,830
It's his style.
1078
00:52:23,902 --> 00:52:28,942
The great thing about Keanu is,
I mean,
he was just such a stud.
1079
00:52:29,111 --> 00:52:33,339
He does like 98%
of all his fighting.
1080
00:52:33,541 --> 00:52:37,314
His stunt double comes in
only when there's something
really sketchy,
1081
00:52:37,483 --> 00:52:40,117
like me throwing
him over the balcony.
1082
00:52:40,286 --> 00:52:43,351
He's so good. It's amazing.
1083
00:52:43,553 --> 00:52:46,195
One, you go right here.
Grab.
1084
00:52:46,397 --> 00:52:48,529
[Bernhardt] I remember
Chad and Dave
coming up to me saying,
1085
00:52:48,731 --> 00:52:49,830
"Daniel, pad up."
1086
00:52:50,099 --> 00:52:51,328
I'm like,
"What do you mean?"
1087
00:52:51,397 --> 00:52:53,068
We're doing masters,
you know,
1088
00:52:53,471 --> 00:52:55,764
where you do the fight
from the beginning
to the end, no cuts.
1089
00:52:55,833 --> 00:52:57,534
And I really haven't done that
in a long time.
1090
00:52:57,737 --> 00:52:59,498
And they're like,
"We don't have the time.
Pad up."
1091
00:52:59,667 --> 00:53:01,201
[Stahelski] Go, go, go, go.
1092
00:53:01,403 --> 00:53:04,774
[both grunting]
1093
00:53:07,508 --> 00:53:11,818
We shoot a master,
and I remember me
and Keanu's double, Jackson,
1094
00:53:11,987 --> 00:53:14,223
we were both so exhausted.
1095
00:53:17,656 --> 00:53:19,855
But it turned out
to be a really good fight.
1096
00:53:21,329 --> 00:53:22,856
[Stahelski]
We're rolling, guys.
1097
00:53:23,025 --> 00:53:25,131
I think it came out better
than we had ever thought.
1098
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:26,362
Because you've
made it a character.
1099
00:53:26,531 --> 00:53:27,694
-Now it's like--
-[Reeves] Right.
1100
00:53:27,863 --> 00:53:29,297
This is where John Wick
got to be like,
1101
00:53:29,466 --> 00:53:30,630
okay, he's the gun guy.
1102
00:53:30,799 --> 00:53:32,702
Yeah.
Like, holy shit,
it worked.
1103
00:53:32,871 --> 00:53:36,570
Yeah, but I mean,
I think that ties
into your philosophy
1104
00:53:36,772 --> 00:53:38,741
and David Leitch's
philosophy
1105
00:53:38,943 --> 00:53:43,545
coming out of the school
of the Wachowskis
with the Matrix
1106
00:53:43,714 --> 00:53:46,512
was that character
drives the action.
1107
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,354
The story of the action,
1108
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:52,756
the character of the action
has to be
so connected to story.
1109
00:53:56,194 --> 00:53:58,165
[crew chattering]
1110
00:53:58,367 --> 00:54:02,029
Last take of John Wick
principal photography.
1111
00:54:07,710 --> 00:54:11,504
All right, that's a wrap
on principal
and additional photography.
1112
00:54:11,672 --> 00:54:12,710
Thank you all very much.
1113
00:54:14,541 --> 00:54:16,108
Good job...
1114
00:54:16,310 --> 00:54:18,412
[Stahelski] Hey, Dave, you
just directed your first movie.
1115
00:54:18,581 --> 00:54:19,918
What are you gonna do now?
1116
00:54:20,087 --> 00:54:22,684
Smoke crack. [laughs]
1117
00:54:22,852 --> 00:54:25,252
To everybody that
said we couldn't do it.
1118
00:54:25,421 --> 00:54:28,456
[Stahelski] We thought
the hard part
was gonna be training Keanu
1119
00:54:28,658 --> 00:54:30,598
and killing it
with cool action.
1120
00:54:30,767 --> 00:54:33,300
We wrapped, we were like,
"Oh, my God,
we did it. We're in the clear."
1121
00:54:33,503 --> 00:54:36,037
And then there's this thing
we found out called post,
1122
00:54:36,206 --> 00:54:38,200
where you actually
have to find the movie.
1123
00:54:38,369 --> 00:54:41,234
[Stahelski] If you want
distance, you got distance
right there. Look at that.
1124
00:54:41,403 --> 00:54:44,477
[Leitch] I think post
was where I had
the biggest learning curve,
1125
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,044
because you don't really do it
as a second-unit director.
1126
00:54:47,213 --> 00:54:50,876
[vocalizing noises]
1127
00:54:51,045 --> 00:54:53,949
And then cut to the
fast outside like...
1128
00:54:54,118 --> 00:54:56,548
We cut the assembly
and we thought,
"Oh my God, we did it."
1129
00:54:56,717 --> 00:54:59,755
We watched the assembly
and we're like, "What the fuck?
This is terrible.
1130
00:54:59,924 --> 00:55:01,926
Like, this is--
We're gonna never work again."
1131
00:55:02,095 --> 00:55:04,331
We showed it
to some friends and family,
and they're just going, "Yeah."
1132
00:55:04,534 --> 00:55:06,735
Tapping us on the shoulder,
"Good job, guys. Yeah, yeah.
1133
00:55:06,904 --> 00:55:08,168
You did your first movie."
1134
00:55:08,370 --> 00:55:10,064
I think that devastated them.
It was like,
1135
00:55:10,232 --> 00:55:12,472
"Guys, it's too long.
It's too long. It's too long."
1136
00:55:12,674 --> 00:55:16,769
The first cut of John Wick,
he was moping around his house.
1137
00:55:16,938 --> 00:55:18,972
It was like a
Swedish noir movie.
1138
00:55:19,141 --> 00:55:22,314
It was very blue.
He's crying, making coffee.
1139
00:55:22,483 --> 00:55:25,018
And you're like, "Okay.
I don't--"
1140
00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:28,079
I think people are-- They're
gonna wanna know when he's
gonna start killing people.
1141
00:55:28,248 --> 00:55:30,085
We were trying to hold on
to the script so tight
1142
00:55:30,253 --> 00:55:32,451
that I think we fought
everybody for the first four,
five weeks.
1143
00:55:32,787 --> 00:55:35,226
It's sometimes harder when
you're like, "No, but this
is the way I saw it,
1144
00:55:35,295 --> 00:55:38,697
and I just need to see it
that way until I don't see it
that way. Then I can..."
1145
00:55:38,899 --> 00:55:41,333
You know, and I'm like,
I've already
forgotten about that way
1146
00:55:41,502 --> 00:55:42,830
'cause this way
is already so cool.
1147
00:55:42,999 --> 00:55:44,835
Basil, he got mad at us
for being so depressed.
1148
00:55:45,004 --> 00:55:48,837
He's like, "What the fuck you
guys doing? Like, get to work."
1149
00:55:49,006 --> 00:55:51,111
We're like, "Well,
it's terrible. We failed."
1150
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,510
He's like,
"That's your assembly.
1151
00:55:52,678 --> 00:55:54,347
Like, now you gonna go
make the movie, guys.
1152
00:55:54,516 --> 00:55:57,713
Like, you got 20 weeks.
You know, hurry up. Go."
1153
00:55:57,915 --> 00:56:00,554
We're like, "I guess
this is directing, huh?"
1154
00:56:00,756 --> 00:56:03,648
[Reeves] You know, they had to
figure out the film in the cut,
1155
00:56:03,817 --> 00:56:06,492
and then the battles that
you have to fight with
the show business part of it.
1156
00:56:06,661 --> 00:56:08,390
You know, what do other
people think of the movie
1157
00:56:08,592 --> 00:56:10,156
that you thought you made?
1158
00:56:10,291 --> 00:56:12,259
"There's too much action."
"Not enough action."
1159
00:56:12,628 --> 00:56:15,569
"You can't really kill
the dog." "Wait, what?
What's the ending?"
1160
00:56:15,638 --> 00:56:18,037
"The ending doesn't work."
Gotta redo it, you know.
1161
00:56:18,206 --> 00:56:23,838
And I'm sure they had a lot of,
you know, [exclaims]
"Is this fucking terrible?"
1162
00:56:24,006 --> 00:56:26,808
We kind of found the movie
very, very slowly.
1163
00:56:26,977 --> 00:56:28,846
It was very slow.
But yeah, we were panicked.
1164
00:56:29,015 --> 00:56:31,378
You know, at the time,
remember,
it was all about fast editing
1165
00:56:31,547 --> 00:56:34,551
and shaky cam and all
that stuff. And we didn't have
a single shaky cam.
1166
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:38,060
Our stuff was very
slow and with no VFX.
1167
00:56:38,229 --> 00:56:39,860
Yeah, we thought
the movie was terrible.
1168
00:56:40,029 --> 00:56:41,561
Everybody but Keanu.
1169
00:56:41,730 --> 00:56:43,231
Keanu and Basil were just like,
"No, just keep hammering.
1170
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,826
Keep going. We'll see you
in a couple weeks."
1171
00:56:44,994 --> 00:56:46,329
Part of it is
like your baby, you know?
1172
00:56:46,498 --> 00:56:47,927
It's the art you created
1173
00:56:48,296 --> 00:56:50,131
and you're really into it
and you're excited.
1174
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,398
But then you're feeling
like self-conscious about,
1175
00:56:53,567 --> 00:56:56,907
"Is this moment
gonna be cheesy?
And are people gonna like it?"
1176
00:56:57,076 --> 00:57:00,207
And I know I like it, but I've
got to put it out in the world.
1177
00:57:00,375 --> 00:57:04,781
And it's all of that confidence
and insecurity colliding.
1178
00:57:04,984 --> 00:57:07,352
I gotta believe in myself,
but I also gotta deliver this
1179
00:57:07,521 --> 00:57:08,950
to an audience
and it's gotta work.
1180
00:57:09,152 --> 00:57:11,118
[Iwanyk] We previewed
the movie for the first time.
1181
00:57:11,287 --> 00:57:13,254
And the audience didn't know
what to make of the movie.
1182
00:57:13,656 --> 00:57:17,261
They're like, "What is this?
It's like Keanu
depressed and crying.
1183
00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:20,292
And what is happening here?
It's supposed to be
an action movie."
1184
00:57:20,494 --> 00:57:22,467
And I'll never forget, it was
the most important moment
1185
00:57:22,669 --> 00:57:24,396
in the entire
Wick franchise history
1186
00:57:24,731 --> 00:57:27,643
where Michael Nyqvist
calls John Leguizamo...
Aurelio speaking.
1187
00:57:27,711 --> 00:57:29,609
[Iwanyk] ...and says...
[Viggo]
I heard you struck my son.
1188
00:57:29,811 --> 00:57:31,377
[Iwanyk] And John says...
[Aurelio] Yes, sir, I did.
1189
00:57:31,546 --> 00:57:33,541
Because he stole
John Wick's car, sir,
1190
00:57:33,709 --> 00:57:36,779
and, uh, killed his dog.
1191
00:57:36,947 --> 00:57:38,643
[Iwanyk] And
Michael Nyqvist just goes...
1192
00:57:38,745 --> 00:57:40,288
Oh. [sighs]
1193
00:57:40,724 --> 00:57:43,715
-And the entire
audience laughed.
-Okay, we have them.
1194
00:57:43,784 --> 00:57:48,927
It's the greatest performance
ever in a movie
where someone says...
1195
00:57:49,096 --> 00:57:50,297
Oh. [sighs]
1196
00:57:50,466 --> 00:57:53,093
And I realized, okay,
they finally got it.
1197
00:57:53,262 --> 00:57:56,061
We're supposed to have fun.
This movie is crazy.
1198
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:58,138
And from that moment on,
it played great.
1199
00:57:58,307 --> 00:57:59,770
I remember the first screening,
1200
00:57:59,939 --> 00:58:01,768
they give you these little
questionnaires to fill out.
1201
00:58:01,937 --> 00:58:03,644
And the first
question was like,
1202
00:58:03,813 --> 00:58:06,576
"Do you think
the killing of the dog
justifies all this death?"
1203
00:58:06,745 --> 00:58:08,241
And we divided it up
by demographics.
1204
00:58:08,410 --> 00:58:10,946
And I remember the men were
only on board at about 60%.
1205
00:58:11,115 --> 00:58:15,519
But like 98% of the women
were like, "Kill 'em all."
1206
00:58:15,722 --> 00:58:18,252
Because they knew it
was not about a dog.
1207
00:58:26,601 --> 00:58:27,862
[Iwanyk] We had
a really cool movie.
1208
00:58:28,064 --> 00:58:29,769
We had a movie
that I think we were all like,
1209
00:58:29,937 --> 00:58:32,165
"Boy, there's like
a world there
that we never realized."
1210
00:58:32,334 --> 00:58:34,540
And Ian McShane and
Lance Reddick really popped.
1211
00:58:34,743 --> 00:58:37,369
And Willem Dafoe was just cool.
We pulled it off.
1212
00:58:37,571 --> 00:58:40,479
And we should have a number
of domestic studio offers
1213
00:58:40,581 --> 00:58:42,474
because this movie
really works.
1214
00:58:42,910 --> 00:58:48,384
And then, we started to
screen it for the studios,
and everybody passed.
1215
00:58:48,453 --> 00:58:51,455
-Literally everybody passed.
-We didn't sell it?
Like, nobody wants it?
1216
00:58:51,623 --> 00:58:56,722
Like, this is better than
so many movies that I've
been asked to fix. [laughs]
1217
00:58:56,924 --> 00:58:58,164
It was heartbreaking.
1218
00:58:58,333 --> 00:58:59,862
I misread the marketplace,
1219
00:59:00,030 --> 00:59:02,193
and I put these people
in a really tough spot
1220
00:59:02,362 --> 00:59:04,538
because I advocated
making this movie
1221
00:59:04,707 --> 00:59:08,168
and put this movie together
that no one will ever see.
1222
00:59:08,337 --> 00:59:11,377
But someone at Lionsgate said,
"You know what? Fuck it.
1223
00:59:11,546 --> 00:59:13,747
We might as well
take the domestic
1224
00:59:13,949 --> 00:59:16,918
because we've already got the
territories for international."
1225
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,553
There was a separation
between church and state
at Lionsgate at the time.
1226
00:59:19,722 --> 00:59:21,521
There was a domestic piece
and the foreign piece.
1227
00:59:21,689 --> 00:59:25,221
Lionsgate had only
sold the film foreign.
1228
00:59:25,390 --> 00:59:29,088
And so Lionsgate bought it,
but for no MG,
for zero dollars,
1229
00:59:29,290 --> 00:59:31,390
which is, you know,
not a great deal.
1230
00:59:31,525 --> 00:59:33,526
I'm like, "Okay,
that's better than nothing."
1231
00:59:33,928 --> 00:59:36,068
They're not believing in it.
They're not
guaranteeing us theaters.
1232
00:59:36,137 --> 00:59:39,005
But then out of nowhere,
their head of marketing
sends this trailer
1233
00:59:39,174 --> 00:59:40,609
that is awesome.
1234
00:59:43,011 --> 00:59:44,074
No!
1235
00:59:45,208 --> 00:59:46,742
And he's like,
"I could sell this thing."
1236
00:59:46,911 --> 00:59:49,213
This feels like
a Lionsgate movie.
1237
00:59:49,382 --> 00:59:50,382
You working again?
1238
00:59:50,551 --> 00:59:52,546
No, just sorting
some stuff out.
1239
00:59:52,748 --> 00:59:54,446
Let's figure out how to do
this movie, and we are gonna
do a wide release.
1240
00:59:54,748 --> 00:59:56,956
And then
something else happened
which was like a miracle,
1241
00:59:57,025 --> 01:00:00,287
but there was
a slot open in October.
A movie fell out.
1242
01:00:00,489 --> 01:00:03,028
There was this wide-release
action movie called Kingsman,
1243
01:00:03,196 --> 01:00:08,428
and for whatever reason,
they have moved the date
to next spring.
1244
01:00:08,597 --> 01:00:11,634
There's this opening here
in October. Let's go for it.
1245
01:00:11,837 --> 01:00:13,398
Then we were like,
"Okay, well,
1246
01:00:13,567 --> 01:00:16,806
we need to somehow let
people know about this movie
1247
01:00:17,008 --> 01:00:18,546
that's about to come out
in two months."
1248
01:00:18,715 --> 01:00:20,474
And so, the marketing team
says, "You know what?
1249
01:00:20,676 --> 01:00:24,886
We could premiere it
at the Fantastic Fest
Film Festival in Austin,
1250
01:00:25,055 --> 01:00:29,283
and that would be like
a week or two
before our opening weekend."
1251
01:00:29,452 --> 01:00:31,120
We've worked on so many
big action movies before,
1252
01:00:31,289 --> 01:00:33,587
and we've mentored under
a lot of great directors.
1253
01:00:33,756 --> 01:00:36,832
And it's been--
It's really incredible
to get a chance to,
1254
01:00:37,034 --> 01:00:40,427
like, show people what we
can do storytelling-wise
and action-wise.
1255
01:00:42,871 --> 01:00:45,230
We show the movie,
blow the roof off the place.
1256
01:00:45,399 --> 01:00:47,574
People freak out.
Twitter-space goes nuts.
1257
01:00:47,743 --> 01:00:50,272
Fanboys went apeshit for it.
They love it.
1258
01:00:50,441 --> 01:00:52,744
[Constantine]
Then all of a sudden,
reviews start coming in.
1259
01:00:52,913 --> 01:00:55,684
Reviews are fantastic.
Everyone's saying,
1260
01:00:55,886 --> 01:01:00,579
"This is not just
a typical action movie.
This is inspired."
1261
01:01:02,091 --> 01:01:06,692
I was more surprised
that nobody wanted it
in that buyer screening
1262
01:01:06,894 --> 01:01:09,787
than I was when we showed it
for the fanboys,
1263
01:01:09,956 --> 01:01:13,363
who I kind of deep down
knew would like it
because I'm one of them.
1264
01:01:13,566 --> 01:01:16,999
And so, one minute,
we didn't even really have
a theatrical release.
1265
01:01:17,167 --> 01:01:19,501
It was gonna just
go straight to video.
1266
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:22,607
And the next minute,
it's like 1,200 screens.
It's pretty awesome.
1267
01:01:22,776 --> 01:01:25,837
It was a huge win
for all of us, huge.
1268
01:01:26,006 --> 01:01:29,176
But there was one thing
about that first movie
that I was so happy for.
1269
01:01:29,344 --> 01:01:32,147
It reminded the audience
why they love Keanu.
1270
01:01:32,316 --> 01:01:34,423
And it reminded them
that he was a movie star.
1271
01:01:34,625 --> 01:01:36,648
[Wick] People keep
asking if I'm back.
1272
01:01:38,660 --> 01:01:41,353
Yeah,
I'm thinking I'm back.
1273
01:01:41,522 --> 01:01:44,127
And now, you have
an opportunity for a sequel.
1274
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:49,362
But if we make John Wick 2
and it comes out in six years,
1275
01:01:49,531 --> 01:01:53,366
it doesn't have the same value
in the audience.
1276
01:01:53,535 --> 01:01:58,173
I knew at this moment in time,
we cannot slow down
1277
01:01:58,375 --> 01:02:00,679
with the idea of
if we're making a John Wick 2.
1278
01:02:00,848 --> 01:02:02,749
We couldn't come up
with an idea,
1279
01:02:02,951 --> 01:02:06,554
and Chad and I were attached
to this other project
1280
01:02:06,722 --> 01:02:08,250
that I was really
falling in love with,
1281
01:02:08,452 --> 01:02:11,592
The Coldest City, which is
now called Atomic Blonde.
1282
01:02:11,661 --> 01:02:13,652
I thought we could do it
first together.
1283
01:02:14,154 --> 01:02:17,093
And I don't know,
Chad felt like he really
wanted to do Wick 2 next.
1284
01:02:17,162 --> 01:02:20,463
And part of me was like,
I want to do Wick 2.
1285
01:02:20,665 --> 01:02:24,896
But I know there's nobody
they could hire
that could do Wick 2.
1286
01:02:25,065 --> 01:02:28,905
We just-- It was such
a unique thing
that we'd created together.
1287
01:02:29,074 --> 01:02:31,444
It was either
Chad or me or nobody.
1288
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:35,044
Like, who are they gonna hire
to do Wick? And I'm like,
we have time to do Wick.
1289
01:02:35,179 --> 01:02:37,115
This has Charlize.
It's ready to go.
1290
01:02:37,317 --> 01:02:40,346
And we can go
make another movie,
you know, and come back
1291
01:02:40,548 --> 01:02:43,049
and make Wick 2
when we have a great idea.
1292
01:02:43,217 --> 01:02:48,093
And he was like, "Yeah, yeah,
yeah," for a while. And then
he started to get cold feet.
1293
01:02:48,295 --> 01:02:50,389
And I think he really
wanted to stay
in the Wick world.
1294
01:02:50,558 --> 01:02:52,634
And he-- And although
we didn't have a script,
1295
01:02:52,836 --> 01:02:55,597
he's like, I think he
really wanted me to stay, too.
1296
01:02:55,766 --> 01:02:57,968
I think Dave wanted to
direct on his own. We all
want to direct on our own.
1297
01:02:58,171 --> 01:03:00,073
That's directing.
We all want to be on our own.
1298
01:03:00,242 --> 01:03:02,568
The co-directing thing,
if we did three films
together like that,
1299
01:03:02,737 --> 01:03:04,479
yeah, we would have done
three films together like that.
1300
01:03:04,681 --> 01:03:06,647
Long and short of it,
I just went to Chad,
1301
01:03:06,849 --> 01:03:10,285
and I said, "I want to
direct Coldest City."
1302
01:03:10,454 --> 01:03:13,778
Um, and he's like,
"Keanu's got a window. I'm
doing this at the same time.
1303
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:17,119
So, you got to choose.
And I'm like,
"Coldest City."
1304
01:03:17,288 --> 01:03:20,061
He was just like, "What?
You're gonna do that?
1305
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:22,826
You're gonna leave
our franchise behind?"
I think he felt like that.
1306
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:26,295
I think he
probably said those words.
1307
01:03:26,464 --> 01:03:30,131
It was a big blow. It was--
It was like, oh, my God.
1308
01:03:30,233 --> 01:03:31,971
At the time,
I was fucking furious.
1309
01:03:32,407 --> 01:03:35,637
I was like,
"Are you out of your mind?
Like, this is a franchise.
1310
01:03:35,706 --> 01:03:37,772
Like, we're the luckiest people
in the world.
What are you doing?"
1311
01:03:37,941 --> 01:03:39,306
It was very dramatic.
1312
01:03:39,641 --> 01:03:42,513
And that was the straw.
Like, that was like, okay.
1313
01:03:42,582 --> 01:03:45,952
To me, it sort of felt like
people became
Team Dave or Team Chad.
1314
01:03:46,121 --> 01:03:48,516
It's not like Chad ever said,
"Don't work with Dave."
1315
01:03:48,718 --> 01:03:52,124
Dave was still
a very integral part
of who we all were,
1316
01:03:52,292 --> 01:03:55,492
'cause to us, he was Dave,
no matter what he was to Chad.
1317
01:03:55,661 --> 01:03:58,691
When he left,
it was more just like,
"Oh, man, I miss Uncle Dave.
1318
01:03:59,996 --> 01:04:01,535
He was the cool one."
1319
01:04:01,737 --> 01:04:02,967
So, yeah,
you feel a little bit like,
1320
01:04:03,135 --> 01:04:04,701
"Is it me? Is it them?
Is it that?" You know.
1321
01:04:04,903 --> 01:04:06,634
It felt like I was an asshole.
1322
01:04:06,802 --> 01:04:11,343
Like, you know, of course.
Like, no one
just leaves for no reason.
1323
01:04:11,512 --> 01:04:14,672
Your ego says it's them,
but hopefully
your brain says it's you.
1324
01:04:14,841 --> 01:04:16,718
You kind of-- Maybe it's
something in the middle.
1325
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,646
Up to that point, they
just went their separate ways.
1326
01:04:18,814 --> 01:04:21,685
They ran a business together,
and they were
very close friends.
1327
01:04:21,853 --> 01:04:26,652
But being in the same
creative cockpit, I think
it was too much for Dave,
1328
01:04:26,821 --> 01:04:29,629
and I think Dave was like,
"I want to go do my own shit."
1329
01:04:29,798 --> 01:04:33,328
That made sense to me,
you know?
1330
01:04:33,497 --> 01:04:36,696
I never had, like,
"Oh, Dave's not gonna do it?"
1331
01:04:36,865 --> 01:04:40,075
That was like,
"Oh, yeah, right.
You're both directors,
1332
01:04:40,277 --> 01:04:45,209
and one's gonna go do that,
and another one's
gonna do this."
1333
01:04:45,378 --> 01:04:49,175
I was just glad Chad said,
"Yeah, let's do it." [laughs]
1334
01:04:49,344 --> 01:04:52,646
'Cause if he hadn't have
said that, I don't know
what would have happened.
1335
01:04:53,455 --> 01:04:54,522
I don't know.
1336
01:04:54,724 --> 01:04:56,017
I know you called
for John Wick 2.
1337
01:04:56,185 --> 01:04:57,492
[both] "Do you want to do it?"
1338
01:04:57,661 --> 01:04:59,223
I'm like,
"What are you thinking?"
1339
01:04:59,392 --> 01:05:00,693
And he's like, "Look, all
I know is we just got to know
1340
01:05:00,862 --> 01:05:02,589
-why we're gonna do it again."
-Yeah.
1341
01:05:02,791 --> 01:05:04,590
But we didn't have a script.
We didn't have any ideas.
1342
01:05:04,793 --> 01:05:08,167
We really didn't know
why the first movie worked.
1343
01:05:08,336 --> 01:05:10,934
I know it sounds dopey to say,
but it's not a science, right?
1344
01:05:11,136 --> 01:05:12,365
[Stahelski]
They came back and said,
1345
01:05:12,534 --> 01:05:14,370
"So you guys think
you're pretty clever.
1346
01:05:14,705 --> 01:05:16,504
Let's see what you got
for John Wick 2. "
I know, right?
1347
01:05:16,573 --> 01:05:18,507
Usually, when people talked
about John Wick 1,
1348
01:05:18,676 --> 01:05:21,178
they were like, "Yeah, the dog.
I mean, geez, that was great."
1349
01:05:21,347 --> 01:05:22,740
And we're like,
"We don't have a dog anymore."
1350
01:05:22,909 --> 01:05:24,343
What are you gonna do?
You gonna kill the dog again?
1351
01:05:24,512 --> 01:05:26,418
-Kill a cat?
-Kill the parakeet?
1352
01:05:26,587 --> 01:05:28,883
-What are we doing?
-It would've been laughable
if we did it again.
1353
01:05:29,052 --> 01:05:31,583
And so, we're like,
"Well, what-- Fuck.
What are we gonna do here?"
1354
01:05:31,752 --> 01:05:33,887
And so, creatively,
it was a big challenge
1355
01:05:34,090 --> 01:05:37,864
about how do we emotionally
connect the audience
to what's going on.
1356
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,398
We kind of killed ourselves
on the second one
1357
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,262
because we didn't want it to be
John Wick 1 and 2 and done.
1358
01:05:44,431 --> 01:05:48,900
When you think of franchises
that get to 3 and 4, beyond,
they did the sequel right.
1359
01:05:49,069 --> 01:05:52,712
A movie is not a franchise
until you've made
a second movie
1360
01:05:52,881 --> 01:05:55,774
and the second movie worked,
right?
1361
01:05:55,943 --> 01:05:59,543
Once you have two movies work,
now you have a franchise.
1362
01:05:59,712 --> 01:06:01,217
That was probably
the most stressful.
1363
01:06:01,386 --> 01:06:04,717
It was like, "Did we
get lucky or are we good?"
1364
01:06:04,886 --> 01:06:08,158
[Kolstad] We went through,
I want to say a hundred ideas.
1365
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,993
Massive universe builds,
Nigerian mob, the triad,
1366
01:06:12,195 --> 01:06:13,992
any number of iterations.
1367
01:06:14,194 --> 01:06:17,105
It's not like we talk about it,
hand the script off
to a writer,
1368
01:06:17,274 --> 01:06:20,065
and then,
"See you in six months."
Like, Keanu's writing is like,
1369
01:06:20,234 --> 01:06:24,109
out of the blue he'll text me
a scene, and then
I'll have a set piece.
1370
01:06:24,278 --> 01:06:25,910
He'll text me, "I was thinking,
John Wick should"--
1371
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:27,907
And it's like
two pages of dialogue.
1372
01:06:28,075 --> 01:06:30,111
We don't know
where to put it yet,
but we know it's a scene.
1373
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,245
You know,
I write for Winston.
1374
01:06:32,413 --> 01:06:35,082
I write
for the Bowery King.
1375
01:06:35,251 --> 01:06:38,085
I write for John.
I'll write scenes. You know,
I'll send pitches of scenes.
1376
01:06:38,253 --> 01:06:41,455
Full scenes. But they all have,
like, "We want this to say,
the theme is this."
1377
01:06:41,624 --> 01:06:43,157
Yeah. Right.
"The scene should be
about this."
1378
01:06:43,325 --> 01:06:44,964
And then, how do we get there?
1379
01:06:45,132 --> 01:06:47,197
It comes together
in the most haphazard way,
1380
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,264
and it's kind of like that
for like six months.
1381
01:06:49,433 --> 01:06:51,205
Just, "We don't know!
We don't know!"
1382
01:06:51,407 --> 01:06:54,098
For the first one,
it was just a handful
of people in the trenches.
1383
01:06:54,267 --> 01:06:57,979
And the second one,
it was a thousand people
in the command center.
1384
01:06:58,148 --> 01:07:00,972
And the third one, you're
just like, what in the hell?
1385
01:07:01,174 --> 01:07:03,808
But that was the hardest job
I've ever had,
was John Wick 2.
1386
01:07:03,977 --> 01:07:10,223
No one gets out and comes back
without repercussions.
1387
01:07:11,790 --> 01:07:14,225
[Iwanyk] There were two things
that broke the dam
on the development.
1388
01:07:14,427 --> 01:07:16,727
One was the marker,
and then the idea of, like,
1389
01:07:16,929 --> 01:07:18,190
we wanted to go to Rome.
1390
01:07:18,359 --> 01:07:20,993
[tense music playing]
1391
01:07:21,161 --> 01:07:22,903
[Stahelski]
I remember we talked
a couple of times, going,
1392
01:07:23,106 --> 01:07:24,565
"What if there's a Continental
in every city?"
1393
01:07:24,767 --> 01:07:26,070
I said, "Where do you
want to go?" And you're like,
1394
01:07:26,272 --> 01:07:27,634
"Where's one of the old--
What's cool?"
1395
01:07:27,803 --> 01:07:29,805
[Reeves] Rome.
[Stahelski]
Then we're like,
1396
01:07:29,974 --> 01:07:31,677
well, how does he
get called back in? Well,
he's got to have a marker.
1397
01:07:31,845 --> 01:07:33,515
Somebody...
I think...
1398
01:07:33,683 --> 01:07:34,913
Marker,
I think, was Derek--
1399
01:07:35,116 --> 01:07:37,210
Derek? No,
Derek came up with the marker.
1400
01:07:37,379 --> 01:07:40,515
And then, Derek and I sat down
and went, well, what if
the marker is like a check?
1401
01:07:40,684 --> 01:07:43,518
Yeah.
You can buy something.
You trade it with it.
1402
01:07:43,687 --> 01:07:49,058
If you don't do this,
you know the consequences.
1403
01:07:49,226 --> 01:07:51,759
I'm not that guy anymore.
1404
01:07:55,232 --> 01:07:57,369
You are always that guy, John.
1405
01:07:58,537 --> 01:08:01,008
You give somebody a marker,
you have to honor it.
1406
01:08:01,177 --> 01:08:04,009
Otherwise, you risk
being on the open market.
1407
01:08:04,178 --> 01:08:05,840
It's a whole
arcane world of its own.
1408
01:08:06,008 --> 01:08:07,376
Market.
1409
01:08:07,545 --> 01:08:09,847
It's wonderful bullshit,
you know? Wonderful.
1410
01:08:10,016 --> 01:08:11,846
[Winston speaking Italian]
1411
01:08:12,015 --> 01:08:14,718
We're kind of all
under the table
in this weird, twisted world.
1412
01:08:14,887 --> 01:08:17,456
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of
like the development
of it, right?
1413
01:08:17,658 --> 01:08:20,691
I mean, the high table
was introduced
in the second one as well.
1414
01:08:20,860 --> 01:08:23,361
[Stahelski] Number two
is where we really kind of
found our feet, I think.
1415
01:08:23,530 --> 01:08:25,130
-[Reeves] Yeah.
-[Stahelski]
With the whole world.
1416
01:08:25,333 --> 01:08:27,258
The John Wick world
that it would become.
1417
01:08:27,427 --> 01:08:30,463
[Stahelski]
When you're trying to do
new or fresh or sell an idea,
1418
01:08:30,665 --> 01:08:32,239
a picture's worth
a thousand words.
1419
01:08:32,407 --> 01:08:35,272
So I will usually storyboard
a scene before I write a scene.
1420
01:08:35,407 --> 01:08:37,077
[Harris] The thing
about working with Chad,
1421
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,276
it's like working
on a college film
with your buddies,
1422
01:08:39,345 --> 01:08:40,572
and you guys spend
most of your time
1423
01:08:40,908 --> 01:08:42,478
watching kung fu movies
and anime together.
1424
01:08:42,547 --> 01:08:44,717
And all of a sudden,
you gotta do a project.
1425
01:08:44,885 --> 01:08:47,913
So that's kind of how it was
'cause we would geek out
about the same things.
1426
01:08:48,082 --> 01:08:50,719
[Stahelski] Todd is part of
my inner circle creatively.
1427
01:08:50,887 --> 01:08:53,651
He's someone I like to riff
with, not just about visuals,
1428
01:08:53,853 --> 01:08:55,892
but about story arcs,
characters.
1429
01:08:56,061 --> 01:09:00,491
On top of that, he's incredibly
gifted with a great eye,
with perspective.
1430
01:09:00,693 --> 01:09:03,838
They throw some ideas at me.
I throw some back at them
or bounce them off the writer,
1431
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,473
take those ideas,
put those in the script.
1432
01:09:06,642 --> 01:09:08,937
[Stahelski]
I'll tweak, he'll tweak,
go back and around and around
1433
01:09:09,106 --> 01:09:11,336
and around and around.
And it won't stop
till the day we shoot.
1434
01:09:11,538 --> 01:09:15,148
It helps everyone's imagination
see the scale of
what you're trying to do,
1435
01:09:15,317 --> 01:09:17,451
the depth, the color,
the pattern, the framing.
1436
01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:20,982
[Harris] It was always
about getting into
the psychology of John Wick,
1437
01:09:21,151 --> 01:09:24,856
what kind of character he is,
what visually signifies
who this guy is
1438
01:09:25,058 --> 01:09:25,988
and what makes him different.
1439
01:09:26,157 --> 01:09:27,995
This is very much noir
1440
01:09:28,164 --> 01:09:31,296
filtered through kind of
a digital MTV aesthetic.
1441
01:09:31,465 --> 01:09:33,232
We kind of made the decision,
like, what do we love?
1442
01:09:33,434 --> 01:09:35,100
And we wrote it up on the...
"We love wuxia films.
1443
01:09:35,302 --> 01:09:37,530
We love chambara films.
We love Westerns.
1444
01:09:37,733 --> 01:09:39,468
We love John Ford.
We love Sergio Leone.
1445
01:09:39,637 --> 01:09:41,606
We love Bernardo Bertolucci.
We love Tarkovsky.
1446
01:09:41,775 --> 01:09:46,009
We love Wong Kar-Wai.
We love Zhang Yimou,
you know, Akira Kurosawa.
1447
01:09:46,178 --> 01:09:47,509
We love Steven Spielberg."
1448
01:09:47,678 --> 01:09:50,183
All these great directors
of action at the time,
1449
01:09:50,352 --> 01:09:53,185
or storytelling,
and we just went,
"Well, fuck it.
1450
01:09:53,354 --> 01:09:54,986
We're just gonna
combine everything we love
1451
01:09:55,154 --> 01:09:56,717
and build our own franchise."
1452
01:09:56,919 --> 01:09:58,550
I think one of the best things
about John Wick is
1453
01:09:58,753 --> 01:10:00,224
it wasn't an
existing IP already.
1454
01:10:00,426 --> 01:10:03,829
Yeah.
You know, so,
there was no rules.
1455
01:10:03,997 --> 01:10:05,229
Yeah.
We could make...
1456
01:10:05,431 --> 01:10:06,625
We could steer John Wick
wherever we wanted.
1457
01:10:06,794 --> 01:10:08,200
We could do
whatever we wanted.
1458
01:10:08,369 --> 01:10:10,128
We're like, I don't know,
is he that guy?
1459
01:10:10,297 --> 01:10:11,831
Sure, he's that guy.
He loves Mustangs.
He's that guy.
1460
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,165
Is he this guy? Does he like...
Ah, he's that guy.
1461
01:10:14,334 --> 01:10:16,508
-Like, he speaks
all these languages.
-[Wick speaking Italian]
1462
01:10:16,677 --> 01:10:18,512
It's like every movie
we could reinvent him
a little bit.
1463
01:10:18,681 --> 01:10:19,980
I know, I love it.
1464
01:10:20,316 --> 01:10:23,713
[director] Ready, and three,
two, one. Action!
1465
01:10:26,214 --> 01:10:28,723
[Iwanyk] All the Wick movies
are very,
very difficult to shoot.
1466
01:10:28,891 --> 01:10:30,819
None of them are easy, at all.
1467
01:10:30,988 --> 01:10:32,555
Fuck.
1468
01:10:32,791 --> 01:10:35,089
[Iwanyk] But 2 was hard,
but I think we were all like,
1469
01:10:35,225 --> 01:10:37,257
"Do you believe this shit?
We're here again.
This is incredible."
1470
01:10:37,459 --> 01:10:38,533
John Wick: Chapter 2.
1471
01:10:38,702 --> 01:10:39,834
Like he never left.
1472
01:10:40,003 --> 01:10:42,262
[Iwanyk] And Keanu
was just so happy.
1473
01:10:42,464 --> 01:10:45,534
He starts working out and
training four or five months
before he starts shooting.
1474
01:10:45,703 --> 01:10:47,540
And I don't mean like
every couple of days.
1475
01:10:47,709 --> 01:10:50,507
I mean like five,
six days a week.
It's a full-time job for him.
1476
01:10:50,676 --> 01:10:52,875
But for Keanu,
it's where he's the happiest.
1477
01:10:53,043 --> 01:10:54,278
My bad.
1478
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:55,910
[director] Good take,
good take, good take.
1479
01:10:56,652 --> 01:10:57,919
Going again.
1480
01:10:57,988 --> 01:10:59,250
I think
you'd like to have,
1481
01:10:59,586 --> 01:11:00,946
I mean, I like it too
when John Wick suffers,
1482
01:11:01,081 --> 01:11:03,249
but I think you like it
when Reeves suffers too.
1483
01:11:03,418 --> 01:11:04,591
Um... [chuckles]
1484
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:05,953
Not gonna say no.
1485
01:11:08,322 --> 01:11:12,796
When you see Keanu in pain on
screen, it's probably for real.
1486
01:11:12,998 --> 01:11:14,225
Bad knee.
1487
01:11:14,901 --> 01:11:16,036
Bad knee.
1488
01:11:16,205 --> 01:11:17,899
[Marinas]
His knee doesn't work,
1489
01:11:18,068 --> 01:11:20,637
his right shoulder
doesn't work,
and his neck has a fusion.
1490
01:11:20,839 --> 01:11:24,445
So when you see John Wick
limping, that's Keanu limping.
1491
01:11:24,613 --> 01:11:25,643
[grunts]
1492
01:11:27,743 --> 01:11:29,545
[Iwanyk]
Chad told Keanu early on,
1493
01:11:29,714 --> 01:11:31,885
"I'm gonna push you
past your comfort zone."
1494
01:11:32,054 --> 01:11:33,482
And Keanu was like,
"Do it."
1495
01:11:33,684 --> 01:11:36,256
Now on 1 and 2,
it was kind of healthy.
1496
01:11:36,458 --> 01:11:38,658
On 3 and 4, it was
becoming like almost barbaric.
1497
01:11:38,894 --> 01:11:43,793
But Keanu would never
ever, ever, ever, ever
in a million years tap out.
1498
01:11:45,258 --> 01:11:49,064
[Spidell] Keanu's work ethic
and training regimen
1499
01:11:49,233 --> 01:11:52,965
that he wants to do
for these movies
was just really impressive.
1500
01:11:53,134 --> 01:11:54,999
[Schultz] First thing
you see Keanu walk on set.
1501
01:11:55,201 --> 01:11:57,337
He can barely move.
He's got his head down.
1502
01:11:57,573 --> 01:12:02,314
He just looks like he's been
beat to shit for the last
two months because he has.
1503
01:12:02,450 --> 01:12:08,349
Um, I guess we can start here.
And then there.
1504
01:12:08,551 --> 01:12:10,358
And then we add,
this is fun.
1505
01:12:11,289 --> 01:12:12,986
That one's not bad.
1506
01:12:13,155 --> 01:12:15,129
Got a little rug burn.
[Stahelski]
Those carpet burns?
1507
01:12:15,297 --> 01:12:16,921
Yeah.
[Stahelski]
You already got the job.
1508
01:12:17,090 --> 01:12:18,428
Right there,
got a little bit there.
1509
01:12:18,597 --> 01:12:20,368
[Stahelski]
Action star.
[person laughs]
1510
01:12:21,836 --> 01:12:22,934
John Wick.
1511
01:12:23,136 --> 01:12:24,468
[Spidell] For Wick 1,
1512
01:12:24,637 --> 01:12:27,005
it was really kind of
starting from ground zero.
1513
01:12:27,174 --> 01:12:28,201
Building up from nothing.
1514
01:12:28,403 --> 01:12:29,839
[grunting]
1515
01:12:31,338 --> 01:12:33,543
[Valera] It wasn't gonna
be the typical punch-kick.
1516
01:12:33,745 --> 01:12:36,879
It was gonna be more gritty,
hard-style, messy.
1517
01:12:38,311 --> 01:12:40,647
So, we had to kind of
beat on him a little bit.
1518
01:12:40,783 --> 01:12:42,421
Get him used to contact.
You know,
1519
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:44,583
just grabbing on to
one of the guys
and pulling him in.
1520
01:12:44,652 --> 01:12:45,984
That was just a drill.
1521
01:12:46,186 --> 01:12:48,527
He would just do that
for 20, 30 minutes.
1522
01:12:48,663 --> 01:12:52,495
And then, pull him in, step,
pull him in, step. [exhales]
1523
01:12:52,664 --> 01:12:56,170
We sit there and we do rolls
for 15 minutes
1524
01:12:56,338 --> 01:12:59,204
and then break falls
for another 15 minutes.
1525
01:12:59,373 --> 01:13:02,305
Like that alone is
taxing on anybody.
1526
01:13:02,474 --> 01:13:04,741
I wish I could
get an ice bath.
1527
01:13:04,943 --> 01:13:06,639
[crew member] I'll get it.
[crew member 2]
Still rolling.
1528
01:13:06,808 --> 01:13:09,010
Ice bath.
I need an ice bath.
1529
01:13:09,944 --> 01:13:12,247
[crew member
talking indistinctly]
1530
01:13:12,449 --> 01:13:16,488
[Marinas] In the training room,
I got so used to
four months of him collapsing
1531
01:13:16,657 --> 01:13:19,158
on the ground, coughing
for ten minutes straight.
1532
01:13:19,327 --> 01:13:22,322
-[imitates coughing]
-[coughing]
1533
01:13:22,491 --> 01:13:26,233
[Marinas] He sounds like
he's gonna die between
every take of rehearsal.
1534
01:13:26,402 --> 01:13:28,669
I've seen him go
straight to the bathroom.
1535
01:13:28,838 --> 01:13:32,370
Like he's done that.
He's definitely barfed
during training.
1536
01:13:32,539 --> 01:13:35,042
He would go in the bathroom,
come back out,
1537
01:13:35,211 --> 01:13:37,541
just white face
and just be like,
1538
01:13:37,709 --> 01:13:41,041
"All right, what's next?
Where we going?"
1539
01:13:41,210 --> 01:13:44,914
Which I think for all of us
was just like, "Fuck yeah."
1540
01:13:47,185 --> 01:13:49,281
[grunting]
1541
01:13:52,493 --> 01:13:54,252
Chad used to get a camera
and he goes,
1542
01:13:54,421 --> 01:13:57,190
"I want Reeves to do 50 throws
before he leaves, in a row."
1543
01:13:59,826 --> 01:14:02,936
And he's like in New York
and I'm in LA,
but he puts a camera there.
1544
01:14:03,105 --> 01:14:04,635
So I'm training Reeves.
1545
01:14:04,838 --> 01:14:07,574
And then, it's like,
he does like take-- He does 30.
1546
01:14:10,009 --> 01:14:12,873
And he's dying.
Like he's fucking
like passing out.
1547
01:14:13,042 --> 01:14:14,772
And I'm like, "Ah,
we should let him go."
1548
01:14:14,908 --> 01:14:16,947
'Cause whatever, right?
1549
01:14:17,349 --> 01:14:19,844
Then I get a text.
It's like, "No, that's
number"-- Like he counts it.
1550
01:14:19,913 --> 01:14:21,787
"That's like number 31."
1551
01:14:21,956 --> 01:14:24,591
You know what I mean?
I'm like looking. Right?
He's watching.
1552
01:14:25,757 --> 01:14:28,091
So, it's like, he had--
he had to do it.
1553
01:14:28,260 --> 01:14:29,728
It's nuts, man.
1554
01:14:32,096 --> 01:14:35,230
He knows Keanu so well.
He knows like
how much he can do.
1555
01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:39,104
I'm like, "Dude,
he's not g-- [chuckling]
He's gonna die, right?"
1556
01:14:39,272 --> 01:14:42,600
Like most people are just
like... They would have,
like, stopped for sure.
1557
01:14:42,769 --> 01:14:46,471
So he knows how much you can
push him, not just physically,
but mentally.
1558
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,114
[grunting]
1559
01:14:49,283 --> 01:14:51,846
[Stahelski] When you know
you have someone as your
lead actor go down those roads,
1560
01:14:52,048 --> 01:14:54,418
you have a whole nother
level of opportunities
1561
01:14:54,587 --> 01:14:55,949
that a lot of
directors don't have.
1562
01:14:56,118 --> 01:14:58,590
There's actors that
directors meet on the day.
1563
01:14:58,759 --> 01:15:00,990
You know, I knew Keanu for
years before I directed him.
1564
01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:03,995
I don't know if you realize
what kind of advantage that is.
1565
01:15:04,164 --> 01:15:07,593
[Prescott] No better union
could have happened
in the film business
1566
01:15:07,762 --> 01:15:08,960
than Chad and Keanu.
1567
01:15:09,129 --> 01:15:11,831
Keanu is the hardest
training actor
1568
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,002
I've ever worked with,
right?
1569
01:15:14,171 --> 01:15:16,801
He's so committed,
but it's the same as Chad.
1570
01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:18,012
They're both the same.
1571
01:15:18,314 --> 01:15:20,513
They see something
in their head,
1572
01:15:20,582 --> 01:15:25,716
and they will both bleed
profusely to achieve it.
1573
01:15:25,919 --> 01:15:28,813
Do you remember
the origin
of "Wick is pain"?
1574
01:15:28,982 --> 01:15:31,448
Day one? [chuckles]
No.
1575
01:15:31,650 --> 01:15:34,859
"Wick is pain" didn't
evolve until John Wick...
1576
01:15:37,261 --> 01:15:38,324
3.
1577
01:15:39,666 --> 01:15:41,701
I think it was
during the antique fight.
1578
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:44,133
My knee had blown up.
[Stahelski] Oh, my God,
I remember that.
1579
01:15:44,301 --> 01:15:46,800
[Reeves]
The first week of shooting
and I'm sitting there,
1580
01:15:46,969 --> 01:15:49,507
and I'm like... [groans]
And I think,
1581
01:15:49,709 --> 01:15:53,272
in the fog of our...
in the fog of Wick,
1582
01:15:53,341 --> 01:15:55,141
I think
I was sitting there
and then you--
1583
01:15:55,611 --> 01:15:58,543
Like, I was there
and maybe I was like,
"Hey, how's it going?"
1584
01:15:58,612 --> 01:16:02,013
And you looked at me and you
were like, "Wick is pain."
1585
01:16:02,182 --> 01:16:04,150
[chuckles]
And then you-- [chuckles]
1586
01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:06,159
That sounded like something
a director would say.
1587
01:16:06,327 --> 01:16:07,856
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[chuckles]
1588
01:16:08,025 --> 01:16:10,190
I remember that.
Your knee was fucking swollen.
1589
01:16:10,359 --> 01:16:12,896
It wasn't that bad,
but it was
a little swollen.
1590
01:16:13,032 --> 01:16:14,966
We were trying to get Patrick
and to get the doctor in.
1591
01:16:15,335 --> 01:16:18,730
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I had the thing and
it was a bit of a situation.
1592
01:16:18,799 --> 01:16:21,232
But that's my recollection
of when like...
That's the etymology--
1593
01:16:21,435 --> 01:16:25,068
...of when "Wick is pain"
became formalized.
1594
01:16:25,237 --> 01:16:26,776
[Prescott]
I think with Chad,
1595
01:16:26,978 --> 01:16:29,044
there needs to be
a healthy amount of suffering
1596
01:16:29,213 --> 01:16:33,144
that is in direct relation
with the success of the film.
1597
01:16:33,346 --> 01:16:35,680
When we were on
the first John Wick
1598
01:16:35,849 --> 01:16:39,025
and we were doing the fight
at the Navy Yard
at the end of the film,
1599
01:16:39,194 --> 01:16:40,558
and it's freezing
1600
01:16:40,727 --> 01:16:43,457
and it's rain
and it's terrible,
1601
01:16:43,660 --> 01:16:45,091
he was-- he was so--
1602
01:16:45,426 --> 01:16:46,792
I don't think I've seen him
that happy before.
1603
01:16:46,861 --> 01:16:48,535
He loved it, you know?
1604
01:16:48,704 --> 01:16:50,634
And I'm sure Reeves
was right there with him.
1605
01:16:50,836 --> 01:16:53,067
They're just both
miserable suffering.
1606
01:16:53,236 --> 01:16:55,439
Anything hard is always
gonna be a little painful.
1607
01:16:55,608 --> 01:16:57,736
Is good.
Yeah, that's good.
1608
01:16:57,905 --> 01:17:00,948
I mean, honestly,
if it didn't hurt, if we
weren't stressed out by it...
1609
01:17:01,117 --> 01:17:04,041
I mean, it's more than just
the stunts. Like we'd be
working on the script.
1610
01:17:04,210 --> 01:17:05,949
Yeah.
Trying to figure out...
1611
01:17:06,118 --> 01:17:09,214
And then that's-- that's
a different kind of pain.
1612
01:17:09,383 --> 01:17:10,654
When you're trying to
figure out these scenes,
1613
01:17:10,856 --> 01:17:12,893
you can sense that
there's something cool,
1614
01:17:13,062 --> 01:17:15,488
we could do something
really neat, but it's--
You can't quite get it.
1615
01:17:15,690 --> 01:17:19,499
And I think that's sometimes
more painful than the--
[chuckles]
1616
01:17:19,701 --> 01:17:22,767
Well, almost as painful
as getting hit by a bus.
1617
01:17:22,936 --> 01:17:25,896
Could you recommend anything
for the end of the night?
1618
01:17:26,065 --> 01:17:28,099
Something big, bold?
1619
01:17:28,268 --> 01:17:31,745
May I suggest
the Benelli M4?
1620
01:17:36,776 --> 01:17:38,749
This is where we wanted
to up the action
a little bit,
1621
01:17:38,918 --> 01:17:40,617
so we started Keanu training
with Taran Butler,
1622
01:17:40,786 --> 01:17:42,250
the three-gun
champion of the world.
1623
01:17:43,585 --> 01:17:44,857
[beep]
1624
01:17:52,034 --> 01:17:55,395
I didn't know that
I was getting gun hands
in John Wick 1,
1625
01:17:55,597 --> 01:18:00,631
but in Chapter 2, I was like,
"The manipulations. Oh, yeah."
1626
01:18:03,777 --> 01:18:05,172
[Stahelski] We went
from John Wick 1,
1627
01:18:05,341 --> 01:18:08,508
where it was like 100 rounds
at a shooting session,
1628
01:18:08,676 --> 01:18:11,983
to when we got to Taran
on number two,
it was like 3,000 rounds.
1629
01:18:12,152 --> 01:18:13,446
Yes.
1630
01:18:21,530 --> 01:18:22,994
Did I not hit it?
[trainer] Nope.
1631
01:18:24,028 --> 01:18:26,159
Chad's obsessed
with weaponry and guns,
1632
01:18:26,327 --> 01:18:28,061
and I think always
like the cutting edge
1633
01:18:28,263 --> 01:18:30,227
of what would be next
and what we could do.
1634
01:18:30,329 --> 01:18:32,201
[guests screaming]
[gunfire]
1635
01:18:32,637 --> 01:18:35,873
[Iwanyk] The airsoft thing
at the time we thought
was not revolutionary,
1636
01:18:35,941 --> 01:18:37,641
but we were like,
"This is incredible."
1637
01:18:37,810 --> 01:18:39,746
But it was like 70%
of what we wanted.
1638
01:18:39,948 --> 01:18:43,675
As we increased
the sophistication
of the weaponry,
1639
01:18:43,844 --> 01:18:46,477
Chad was like,
"I want to be able to do
an enormous amount of gunplay.
1640
01:18:46,646 --> 01:18:48,819
I never want to worry about it,
and I hate airsofts."
1641
01:18:48,955 --> 01:18:50,957
And I'm like, "Well,
that leaves us nowhere."
1642
01:18:51,326 --> 01:18:54,460
Because we can't
have blanks, obviously.
It can't be plastic guns.
1643
01:18:54,529 --> 01:18:58,664
You've got to remember,
Chad was Brandon Lee's
stunt double in The Crow,
1644
01:18:58,832 --> 01:19:00,700
so Chad more so
than I think any person
1645
01:19:00,869 --> 01:19:02,361
that comes out of
the stunt world in Hollywood
1646
01:19:02,563 --> 01:19:05,998
is hypervigilant and aware
of gun safety on a set.
1647
01:19:06,133 --> 01:19:07,497
That's bad.
Yeah, yeah.
1648
01:19:07,733 --> 01:19:09,933
[Iwanyk] And a lot of the
gunfire is close combat.
1649
01:19:10,036 --> 01:19:12,577
And so, how do you
do that with, you know,
a gun that looks real?
1650
01:19:12,746 --> 01:19:14,711
So, you are
the speed of light.
1651
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,282
I'm gonna
name the gun that.
1652
01:19:16,484 --> 01:19:18,178
Speed of light.
All right.
1653
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:19,884
[Marinas] But then
Chad found Taran,
1654
01:19:20,319 --> 01:19:24,455
and they actually found
the secret sauce
of plugging guns.
1655
01:19:24,524 --> 01:19:29,387
Chad likes to have so much
close contact action
that he solid plugs everything.
1656
01:19:29,556 --> 01:19:32,357
What that means is
a normal blank gun in a movie,
1657
01:19:32,526 --> 01:19:34,526
when you fire it,
the flame comes out the front.
1658
01:19:34,695 --> 01:19:37,264
When he solid plugs it,
you don't get that anymore.
1659
01:19:37,433 --> 01:19:40,104
You get the ejection
of the casing flying out,
1660
01:19:40,273 --> 01:19:42,543
you get the reloads,
you get the smoke,
you get all that.
1661
01:19:42,711 --> 01:19:45,539
The action's operating,
but it's safe.
1662
01:19:45,707 --> 01:19:47,809
You can go right up
against somebody
and pull the trigger.
1663
01:19:48,011 --> 01:19:49,242
It's not going to hurt them.
1664
01:19:49,411 --> 01:19:51,381
As soon as you put a blank
with a blank gun,
1665
01:19:51,550 --> 01:19:53,614
you're basically
shooting a pistol
that's been fitted for blanks.
1666
01:19:53,783 --> 01:19:56,454
And you can get wadded.
I've been sprayed
a thousand times with wadding.
1667
01:19:56,623 --> 01:19:58,053
I've been shot and burned.
1668
01:19:58,222 --> 01:19:59,788
Nobody can get killed
with a solid plug gun.
1669
01:19:59,957 --> 01:20:01,455
Nothing comes out of the front.
1670
01:20:02,794 --> 01:20:04,158
[shells clattering on floor]
1671
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,130
And now the gun cycles.
It's totally safe.
1672
01:20:06,299 --> 01:20:08,432
You can have
your hand in the front.
It won't do anything.
1673
01:20:08,601 --> 01:20:13,470
There was also a very
big benefit audio-wise
for the stunt performers.
1674
01:20:13,639 --> 01:20:14,905
Things are going on.
1675
01:20:15,074 --> 01:20:16,302
There's a hundred guys
Keanu is fighting,
1676
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:18,006
so people are yelling,
making kung fu noises.
1677
01:20:18,208 --> 01:20:20,007
So, the fact that
we had a plugged gun
1678
01:20:20,209 --> 01:20:22,308
that actually
sounded like a real gun,
1679
01:20:22,476 --> 01:20:24,145
you know, it was easier
for our stuntpeople
1680
01:20:24,314 --> 01:20:27,316
to take their cues off
the sounds of the guns.
1681
01:20:30,318 --> 01:20:32,158
[both chuckle]
That was awesome.
1682
01:20:32,327 --> 01:20:33,521
I like that press.
1683
01:20:33,723 --> 01:20:35,953
Ah. So fun.
1684
01:20:36,122 --> 01:20:39,328
-Now we're just gonna
slap on the Benelli.
-We better get that shotgun.
1685
01:20:39,894 --> 01:20:41,594
[grunting]
1686
01:20:45,003 --> 01:20:47,302
-Oh, yeah. Match saver.
-Match saver.
1687
01:20:47,471 --> 01:20:50,438
When he runs out of ammo,
this is called the match saver.
1688
01:20:50,607 --> 01:20:53,606
In the old-school way,
you'd have to reach down
to your belt,
1689
01:20:54,850 --> 01:20:57,508
grab a shell, drop it in,
and drop the bolt.
1690
01:20:57,677 --> 01:21:00,784
And that takes, like,
almost two seconds.
1691
01:21:00,953 --> 01:21:03,355
This way, I'm shooting,
I run empty,
1692
01:21:03,524 --> 01:21:04,656
I know immediately.
1693
01:21:04,858 --> 01:21:06,520
I throw it in
and hit the bolt.
1694
01:21:09,198 --> 01:21:12,963
-Also on that one
did the jacket pull draw.
-Jacket pull draw. Yeah.
1695
01:21:13,132 --> 01:21:14,831
Jacket pull draw.
[Reeves] Jacket pull draw.
1696
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,796
Very slick.
So good. Jacket pull draw.
1697
01:21:22,477 --> 01:21:25,473
[Stahelski] A lot of the DNA,
like we say, is always
in the first one, right?
1698
01:21:25,642 --> 01:21:28,347
But I keep going back
to number two
as the real experiment.
1699
01:21:28,516 --> 01:21:30,478
[EDM music playing]
1700
01:21:34,713 --> 01:21:36,152
[Stahelski] John Wick
rock concert.
1701
01:21:36,321 --> 01:21:38,249
See, where's Dave now?
This is his cup of tea.
1702
01:21:38,451 --> 01:21:40,092
Dave would be up there rapping.
1703
01:21:41,855 --> 01:21:44,197
When we were in Rome and we
were doing the concert stuff,
1704
01:21:44,366 --> 01:21:46,923
that was when we decided,
okay, we have
this huge crowd of people.
1705
01:21:47,125 --> 01:21:49,861
We have music going,
like, how kooky
are we gonna get here?
1706
01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:52,438
Like, is John Wick
really gonna run up on stage
and shoot somebody?
1707
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:53,666
We're like, yeah.
Yeah.
1708
01:21:58,003 --> 01:21:59,704
[Stahelski] This is where we
were like, okay, we're going.
1709
01:21:59,873 --> 01:22:01,849
The crowd's cheering for
shooting people in the head.
1710
01:22:02,018 --> 01:22:04,276
So, it's kind of like
Red Circle
from the first one.
1711
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:05,851
[Stahelski] We do
like a club scene.
1712
01:22:06,053 --> 01:22:08,715
That whole concert, for me,
it came together
1713
01:22:08,851 --> 01:22:11,221
so big and so larger than life,
and when we heard
the music going
1714
01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:13,591
it was like,
"Okay, we got to pump
this up a little bit."
1715
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,288
Then it was you like,
"I'm gonna jump down the
stairs. We're just gonna go.
1716
01:22:16,490 --> 01:22:17,897
I'm gonna run
through the crowd."
1717
01:22:18,066 --> 01:22:20,125
It was this different kind
of energy than number one.
1718
01:22:20,327 --> 01:22:21,531
It was a lot more aggressive.
1719
01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:22,728
[Reeves] Yeah.
1720
01:22:24,836 --> 01:22:26,072
Bang, bang! Bang! Bang!
1721
01:22:27,036 --> 01:22:28,935
Bang! Got to go in here.
1722
01:22:29,104 --> 01:22:30,769
Oh, no. Bang, bang!
1723
01:22:31,444 --> 01:22:32,772
Bang!
1724
01:22:32,941 --> 01:22:34,477
[grunting]
1725
01:22:34,679 --> 01:22:35,807
Shit! Bang!
1726
01:22:37,117 --> 01:22:39,377
We did invent this choreography
in the night.
1727
01:22:39,546 --> 01:22:41,216
Literally did that
on the night.
1728
01:22:41,385 --> 01:22:44,123
[Reeves] Flick. Look at that.
That's legit.
1729
01:22:44,292 --> 01:22:47,152
John Wick's just got
a lot of angry arms.
Yeah, look at that.
1730
01:22:47,354 --> 01:22:49,395
I love that, the pullback.
1731
01:22:49,564 --> 01:22:51,759
I just want to see the heads
explode. I just want to see
a little bit of that.
1732
01:22:51,928 --> 01:22:53,561
[crowd clamoring]
1733
01:22:55,062 --> 01:22:56,961
[Stahelski] Yeah, pretty much
just made this all up
on the night.
1734
01:22:57,130 --> 01:22:59,431
[Reeves] But I think
this introduced, too,
the idea of the toolbox,
1735
01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:01,438
the way that
you guys trained me.
1736
01:23:01,873 --> 01:23:05,370
The magic of what Keanu
went through is we built
a giant toolbox for him...
1737
01:23:05,438 --> 01:23:07,244
[crew member] You're out.
1738
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,413
...that at any moment,
we can pull out tools from
and plug and play.
1739
01:23:10,482 --> 01:23:12,750
Secondary.
[Perry] I built the training
very similar
1740
01:23:12,918 --> 01:23:14,016
to the way we do choreography.
1741
01:23:14,218 --> 01:23:15,646
I would put
a dummy round in the mag
1742
01:23:15,815 --> 01:23:17,319
so he would have to
correct a malfunction.
1743
01:23:17,554 --> 01:23:19,658
So, I would create problems
in the middle of this
1744
01:23:19,793 --> 01:23:21,091
that he would have to solve.
1745
01:23:21,260 --> 01:23:22,827
All that prep gives you
this luxury of, like,
1746
01:23:22,996 --> 01:23:25,091
we can be flexible
and in the moment,
1747
01:23:25,260 --> 01:23:27,625
and almost ad-lib the action
1748
01:23:27,793 --> 01:23:30,160
because he's already
gotten so good.
1749
01:23:30,329 --> 01:23:32,165
What? Cut it!
1750
01:23:32,334 --> 01:23:33,697
This is what Reeves
can do.
1751
01:23:33,900 --> 01:23:36,003
And see, that spoiled me
for the rest of the movie.
1752
01:23:36,171 --> 01:23:39,045
So, now I know you can
do anything. I'm like,
"I can change shit on the day."
1753
01:23:39,247 --> 01:23:41,771
In most action movies, you
can't change the choreography.
1754
01:23:41,940 --> 01:23:44,608
Yeah.
You don't want to upset
"insert name."
1755
01:23:44,777 --> 01:23:46,548
Yeah.
After this,
it was like, "Oh, no,
1756
01:23:46,783 --> 01:23:49,188
we can change everything
on Keanu. He's great."
[both chuckle]
1757
01:23:49,324 --> 01:23:51,716
All the stunt teams are like,
"So we can still change things?
1758
01:23:51,784 --> 01:23:53,020
This is great."
We can still change things.
1759
01:23:53,556 --> 01:23:56,292
Sorry.
[crew member]
Back to one. Reset.
1760
01:23:56,361 --> 01:23:58,131
Fuck!
[crew member]
It's all good.
1761
01:23:58,300 --> 01:23:59,658
[Stahelski]
That's what I like about
the John Wick action.
1762
01:23:59,827 --> 01:24:01,561
John Wick always feels
a little back on his heels.
1763
01:24:01,763 --> 01:24:03,636
Kind of like he just learned
the choreography that day.
1764
01:24:03,805 --> 01:24:05,069
Yeah, yeah.
Which is awesome.
1765
01:24:05,271 --> 01:24:07,564
And after this,
now it was a challenge to us.
1766
01:24:07,766 --> 01:24:10,170
How do we keep up with Keanu?
[laughs]
1767
01:24:10,338 --> 01:24:14,312
Whoever comes,
whoever it is,
1768
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:16,677
I'll kill them.
1769
01:24:17,850 --> 01:24:19,379
I'll kill them all.
1770
01:24:19,581 --> 01:24:23,517
When John Wick 2
was being put together,
1771
01:24:23,686 --> 01:24:26,990
there were certain actors
that were saying, like,
1772
01:24:27,192 --> 01:24:28,656
"We would love to be
in John Wick 2."
1773
01:24:30,131 --> 01:24:32,057
You're not having a good night,
are you, John?
1774
01:24:32,292 --> 01:24:36,600
Once they put Rome on the map,
it was like, "I need to be
in John Wick 2."
1775
01:24:36,736 --> 01:24:40,030
Chad, man, like,
I have to be in there.
I have to be in that world.
1776
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:43,074
I reached out to Keanu,
I was like, "Dude,
all of our friends,
1777
01:24:43,277 --> 01:24:45,540
all the guys that worked
on The Matrix pictures,
1778
01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:48,378
like, everybody's in the movie.
You gotta hook me up."
1779
01:24:48,547 --> 01:24:52,252
Mr. Wick doesn't remember,
but we met many years ago.
1780
01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:54,448
[Constantine]
And then there were
other actors that we thought,
1781
01:24:54,650 --> 01:24:56,187
"They would be great.
Let's try to get them."
1782
01:24:56,389 --> 01:25:02,021
And at that point,
not everyone
was in on John Wick
1783
01:25:02,190 --> 01:25:05,132
as such a big thing
that it's eventually
gonna come out to be.
1784
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,127
[grunting]
1785
01:25:08,329 --> 01:25:09,494
Oh, you motherfucker.
1786
01:25:09,730 --> 01:25:12,433
[Constantine] When you
get to John Wick 3,
1787
01:25:12,568 --> 01:25:16,075
now there is this corner
that has been turned
1788
01:25:16,278 --> 01:25:20,704
where pretty much everybody
is aware of John Wick.
1789
01:25:20,873 --> 01:25:23,248
We can literally
call it a franchise
1790
01:25:23,417 --> 01:25:27,645
because number one worked,
number two worked even better,
1791
01:25:27,847 --> 01:25:29,618
and we're planning on
making number three.
1792
01:25:31,458 --> 01:25:34,960
Now you have brilliant actors,
Academy Award-winning actors,
1793
01:25:35,129 --> 01:25:39,031
like Halle Berry
and Anjelica Huston,
1794
01:25:39,233 --> 01:25:42,398
who really understands
what John Wick is,
1795
01:25:42,567 --> 01:25:47,273
wants to be with Keanu,
wants to be with 87eleven.
1796
01:25:47,441 --> 01:25:51,803
I was a fan. I mean, there's
not a dull moment on screen.
1797
01:25:51,972 --> 01:25:53,776
I don't need to see the script.
Just sign me up.
1798
01:25:53,945 --> 01:25:55,644
I gotta tell you,
1799
01:25:55,812 --> 01:25:58,849
I've been looking forward
to meeting you for a long time.
1800
01:25:59,051 --> 01:26:02,519
I'm a huge fan, John Wick.
1801
01:26:02,721 --> 01:26:04,490
[Iwanyk] We're part
of the establishment
all of a sudden.
1802
01:26:04,659 --> 01:26:06,059
When we weren't,
1803
01:26:06,261 --> 01:26:07,951
John Wick 1 was way out
of the establishment.
1804
01:26:08,220 --> 01:26:11,697
Even John Wick 2 was, like,
a foot in and a foot out.
1805
01:26:11,799 --> 01:26:16,966
And I said this to Keanu,
I'm like, "Listen,
for better or for worse,
1806
01:26:17,135 --> 01:26:22,303
we are now a place where
in the economics of film
and television and studios,
1807
01:26:22,472 --> 01:26:24,310
we have to
expand this world."
1808
01:26:24,512 --> 01:26:28,977
Like, there's no version
of us going,
"Ah, guys, we're good."
1809
01:26:29,113 --> 01:26:32,681
You know, the shareholders
of Lionsgate's like,
"No, we want more."
1810
01:26:32,850 --> 01:26:36,546
And so I think we've all kind
of collectively realized that,
1811
01:26:36,748 --> 01:26:40,722
and now we're like, "Okay,
how do we make things just
a bit cool, a bit different?"
1812
01:26:40,924 --> 01:26:44,660
[director]
All right. Picture's up.
Lock it up. Here we go.
1813
01:26:46,196 --> 01:26:47,724
Cool location, right?
1814
01:26:47,927 --> 01:26:49,368
[cameraperson]
It's awesome.
Thanks.
1815
01:26:50,801 --> 01:26:55,737
Fuck yeah.
John Wick 3. Manhattan.
New York City Library.
1816
01:27:00,112 --> 01:27:04,083
[Reeves] I feel like
every John Wick film has had,
like, the what and the why.
1817
01:27:04,286 --> 01:27:05,813
But what's the character?
What's the why?
1818
01:27:06,645 --> 01:27:07,886
And then along that,
1819
01:27:08,055 --> 01:27:09,988
each film has had two or three,
1820
01:27:10,157 --> 01:27:12,852
like, action,
not even sequences,
1821
01:27:13,021 --> 01:27:15,922
but, like,
I want to be here.
It's a mirror room.
1822
01:27:19,568 --> 01:27:21,660
[Reeves]
It's gonna be the fight
in the library with Boban.
1823
01:27:21,862 --> 01:27:24,997
It's gonna be the stairs
in Chapter 4.
1824
01:27:25,166 --> 01:27:29,333
There's always been
these impulses
of action or set pieces,
1825
01:27:29,502 --> 01:27:33,412
and somehow the story
has to go through here
and here, you know,
1826
01:27:33,580 --> 01:27:36,712
and that kind of relentlessness
of trying to figure it out.
1827
01:27:39,516 --> 01:27:42,085
Dogs, horses, pigeons,
Grand Central.
1828
01:27:42,253 --> 01:27:45,256
Grand Central.
Grand Central.
1829
01:27:45,425 --> 01:27:47,891
All right, get out of here.
I gotta go to work.
1830
01:27:48,060 --> 01:27:52,327
This is Ballet Land.
That's these ladies.
What are we shooting right now?
1831
01:27:52,529 --> 01:27:55,296
Tell 'em.
[both] John Wick 3.
1832
01:27:55,498 --> 01:27:57,261
That says it all,
doesn't it?
1833
01:27:57,429 --> 01:28:00,098
-[Reeves]
We're going to Marrakech.
-[Stahelski] Sounds good.
1834
01:28:00,266 --> 01:28:02,905
Going to Morocco. Halle Berry
in the desert with some dogs.
1835
01:28:03,074 --> 01:28:06,212
[exclaims]
[Berry] It's one of the
hardest things I've ever done.
1836
01:28:06,381 --> 01:28:10,043
I pushed myself to the limit.
I had some broken bones.
1837
01:28:10,212 --> 01:28:11,815
[chuckles]
1838
01:28:12,017 --> 01:28:13,113
But I survived.
1839
01:28:13,282 --> 01:28:15,085
[dog snarling]
1840
01:28:15,254 --> 01:28:17,216
Dogs.
We need dogs in the movie.
1841
01:28:17,385 --> 01:28:19,287
What are you gonna do?
Well, we're gonna train dogs
to attack groins.
1842
01:28:19,456 --> 01:28:21,119
-[man screaming]
-[dog barking]
1843
01:28:24,290 --> 01:28:27,300
That was one of the concepts.
That was one of the concepts.
1844
01:28:27,502 --> 01:28:29,460
John Wick 3.
If you knew the budget
we spent on dogs.
1845
01:28:29,629 --> 01:28:30,667
That was the concept.
1846
01:28:34,409 --> 01:28:35,733
[Stahelski] We're gonna
train Halle Berry with dogs.
1847
01:28:35,902 --> 01:28:37,640
Got an actress
who wanted to say,
1848
01:28:37,809 --> 01:28:40,404
"Yeah, I want to train dogs
for seven, eight months."
1849
01:28:40,573 --> 01:28:43,975
And that's not from
a book series. That's not
from a graphic novel.
1850
01:28:44,144 --> 01:28:46,246
That's from us going,
"Hey, man, you like dogs?
1851
01:28:46,415 --> 01:28:48,816
I like dogs. You like dogs?
I like dogs. Let's do
something cool with dogs.
1852
01:28:48,985 --> 01:28:51,589
We did guns and cars. Let's
do dogs. Yeah, I like dogs."
1853
01:28:54,786 --> 01:28:56,595
Dog fu.
Dog fu, man.
1854
01:28:56,763 --> 01:28:58,597
[barks]
1855
01:28:58,765 --> 01:29:00,830
And then, Keanu's going,
"John Wick's got to be
on a horse."
1856
01:29:00,999 --> 01:29:03,634
And I'm like,
"John Wick on a horse
sounds pretty fucking cool."
1857
01:29:05,598 --> 01:29:07,340
[horse whinnies]
1858
01:29:07,776 --> 01:29:10,003
[Stahelski]
But a lot of other people
that read the script went,
1859
01:29:10,071 --> 01:29:13,380
"Yeah, that's not...
How is that gonna be cool?"
1860
01:29:13,582 --> 01:29:15,471
-Because he ran out
of Central Park.
-And we're like,
1861
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,675
"We're not really sure,
but we're gonna try
and figure it out."
1862
01:29:17,844 --> 01:29:19,984
There's horses
by Central Park.
1863
01:29:20,152 --> 01:29:23,322
[Stahelski] If you're willing
to endure that little bit
of fear of the unknown
1864
01:29:23,491 --> 01:29:25,390
and that little bit of pain
of figuring it out...
1865
01:29:25,593 --> 01:29:27,455
[Reeves] Who doesn't want
to see John Wick on a horse?
1866
01:29:27,624 --> 01:29:29,629
-[Stahelski] Yeah.
-In a suit.
1867
01:29:29,798 --> 01:29:31,362
I mean, how we...
1868
01:29:31,531 --> 01:29:33,695
And I think most people
get weirded out by it
1869
01:29:33,864 --> 01:29:35,666
because they don't know
how it fits in the story
1870
01:29:35,835 --> 01:29:38,305
or they don't know how
to make it work
with the character,
1871
01:29:38,507 --> 01:29:40,740
and that's the beauty of
what we have with John Wick.
1872
01:29:40,942 --> 01:29:42,473
It's our IP.
Yeah.
1873
01:29:42,708 --> 01:29:45,207
So, there's no... [chuckles]
There's no real rules.
1874
01:29:45,309 --> 01:29:47,904
Like, we've had people
come up to us and
actually say to Keanu and I,
1875
01:29:48,106 --> 01:29:49,180
"Well, that's not
very John Wick."
1876
01:29:49,349 --> 01:29:50,910
And we're like, "I don't know,
1877
01:29:51,113 --> 01:29:52,381
that's John Wick, and he
says he'll be on a horse."
1878
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:54,078
You want to ride a horse?
Yeah, man.
1879
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:55,345
All right, then it's
pretty John Wick, isn't it?
1880
01:29:56,154 --> 01:29:57,084
[tires screech]
1881
01:29:57,287 --> 01:29:58,819
[horn blaring]
1882
01:29:58,988 --> 01:30:01,986
Getting to know Jackie Chan
and Donnie Yen and Jet Li,
1883
01:30:02,154 --> 01:30:03,558
and having worked
with all those people.
1884
01:30:03,727 --> 01:30:06,762
I was talking
to Jackie one time...
1885
01:30:06,964 --> 01:30:09,664
This is after spending a lot
of time watching how he works.
1886
01:30:09,833 --> 01:30:12,266
And, you know,
I was giving him a little shit.
1887
01:30:12,468 --> 01:30:15,204
You know, like, if Keanu and I
were just sitting here
and I was telling Jackie,
1888
01:30:15,372 --> 01:30:18,007
"You know, if you have
two people sitting there
and there's a desk between us,"
1889
01:30:18,176 --> 01:30:20,346
we're like, "Well, you know,
he'd say something,
I'd say something.
1890
01:30:20,515 --> 01:30:22,005
I'd jump over the desk,
we'd start fighting,
1891
01:30:22,174 --> 01:30:23,713
and then we'd punch
and punch and punch,
1892
01:30:23,882 --> 01:30:25,784
and then the other guy would
walk out and say a cool line."
1893
01:30:25,986 --> 01:30:29,852
Jackie would do literally
the exact opposite
of any other choreographer.
1894
01:30:30,021 --> 01:30:32,525
He'd go, "Okay,
you don't say anything.
I'll say a joke.
1895
01:30:32,694 --> 01:30:35,856
I'm gonna try to walk out, but
you stop me from walking out.
1896
01:30:36,025 --> 01:30:39,466
Then the room catches on fire,
the door is locked,
1897
01:30:39,668 --> 01:30:42,135
we get handcuffed together
and... What,
are you right-handed?
1898
01:30:42,337 --> 01:30:44,194
Okay, so you can't
use your right hand.
1899
01:30:44,363 --> 01:30:46,205
And you got to protect
this vase here from breaking
1900
01:30:46,374 --> 01:30:47,968
because that's
really what you wanted.
1901
01:30:48,170 --> 01:30:50,237
And you can't kill anybody,
although everybody has a gun."
1902
01:30:50,406 --> 01:30:54,442
And you'd look at Jackie
and go, "Well, how am I
supposed to do that?"
1903
01:30:54,611 --> 01:30:56,573
And he had
the best answer ever.
1904
01:30:56,742 --> 01:30:59,146
He looked right back and said,
"I have no idea
how you're gonna do it,
1905
01:30:59,348 --> 01:31:02,322
but if you figure it out,
it'll be the best fight
in the movie."
1906
01:31:02,524 --> 01:31:04,825
One of the sequences that
I think will always go down
1907
01:31:05,027 --> 01:31:10,255
as one of the greatest moments
in all four John Wick movies
is the knife fight.
1908
01:31:10,424 --> 01:31:14,666
It's using all the things
that would normally
be a problem.
1909
01:31:14,868 --> 01:31:19,730
John is in
a straight, narrow room,
and he doesn't have a gun.
1910
01:31:19,899 --> 01:31:23,766
And all these assassins
who have guns are coming to
get him, and he can't hide.
1911
01:31:23,935 --> 01:31:28,639
So now he has to neutralize
the guns that could shoot him
and kill him, right?
1912
01:31:28,808 --> 01:31:30,007
That's number one.
1913
01:31:30,209 --> 01:31:34,183
Number two,
he gets thrown against glass.
1914
01:31:34,385 --> 01:31:37,790
And what feels like
it's gonna be a problem
turns out to be an asset.
1915
01:31:37,959 --> 01:31:39,020
It's brilliant.
1916
01:31:45,262 --> 01:31:48,033
-[Reeves] That's so good.
-We always called it
the snowball fight.
1917
01:31:48,235 --> 01:31:50,929
You and your brothers get
the snowball and you just
chuck them at each other.
1918
01:31:51,098 --> 01:31:52,933
We were saying
in every action movie,
1919
01:31:53,102 --> 01:31:54,770
no matter who it is,
he always picks up a knife,
1920
01:31:55,073 --> 01:31:56,838
and they throw it,
and it sticks in,
and the guy dies.
1921
01:31:56,907 --> 01:31:58,675
And we're like,
"That never really happens."
1922
01:31:58,844 --> 01:32:01,138
So let's do one where
everybody misses all the time.
1923
01:32:01,306 --> 01:32:02,711
We kept rehearsing it
and rehearsing it.
1924
01:32:02,913 --> 01:32:04,183
We kept changing
all the different pieces.
1925
01:32:04,352 --> 01:32:05,814
But it still
didn't fit right.
1926
01:32:05,983 --> 01:32:07,952
I was like, "Okay,
it's gonna be a decent fight."
1927
01:32:08,121 --> 01:32:09,983
You know, I was looking forward
to the horse stuff more
and all that shit.
1928
01:32:10,152 --> 01:32:12,316
-Yeah.
-It was about the third day
of doing this.
1929
01:32:12,485 --> 01:32:15,355
It was when you come at him,
just going one, two, three.
1930
01:32:15,524 --> 01:32:19,055
My opinion totally changed
in this fight,
right on that. Right here.
1931
01:32:19,257 --> 01:32:21,194
-[man grunts]
-[Reeves exclaims]
1932
01:32:26,041 --> 01:32:27,305
What do I do?
Duck.
1933
01:32:27,474 --> 01:32:29,808
Duck? Duck?
[Stahelski]
You better.
1934
01:32:29,977 --> 01:32:31,875
[laughter]
1935
01:32:32,044 --> 01:32:33,206
Duck?
1936
01:32:34,511 --> 01:32:36,010
This is real speed.
1937
01:32:36,179 --> 01:32:39,317
[Stahelski] This is... Yeah,
this is Shane and Chen here.
1938
01:32:39,486 --> 01:32:41,213
[Reeves]
Whoa! That's legit.
1939
01:32:41,382 --> 01:32:43,549
We were literally putting
this stuff together on the day.
1940
01:32:43,718 --> 01:32:44,647
[Stahelski] Action!
1941
01:32:44,816 --> 01:32:46,860
[grunting]
1942
01:32:47,029 --> 01:32:50,729
Remember, like, when we had
that, like, fucking take
that's in the movie?
1943
01:32:50,898 --> 01:32:51,888
Yep.
1944
01:32:52,190 --> 01:32:53,395
Take forever.
[all laugh]
1945
01:32:53,464 --> 01:32:54,896
Not that...
I know.
1946
01:32:55,065 --> 01:32:58,671
Shane is, like, amazing
as well, but I'm so slow.
1947
01:32:58,839 --> 01:33:01,266
But there was something about
that one take that was like--
1948
01:33:01,468 --> 01:33:04,777
Yeah, that take, you know,
it's great. It's great.
1949
01:33:04,979 --> 01:33:07,009
[grunting]
1950
01:33:15,089 --> 01:33:19,588
[Reeves] I was like,
"Guys, I don't think
I could do that any faster."
1951
01:33:19,757 --> 01:33:21,623
And Shane was like,
"Me neither."
1952
01:33:21,825 --> 01:33:23,923
We reached, like,
a high hand.
It is.
1953
01:33:24,092 --> 01:33:26,964
It was so good
but so very tired.
Right?
1954
01:33:27,167 --> 01:33:28,366
[all laughing]
1955
01:33:28,535 --> 01:33:30,527
[crew member]
That was fast. A lot.
1956
01:33:31,070 --> 01:33:32,104
Jesus.
1957
01:33:32,373 --> 01:33:34,374
What I learned
in John Wick 1,
1958
01:33:34,443 --> 01:33:36,442
which you carried on
through all of them,
1959
01:33:36,611 --> 01:33:40,106
was fight film
with who you trained with.
Yeah.
1960
01:33:40,275 --> 01:33:42,912
[Reeves] Everyone gets
to know your timing, you know?
1961
01:33:43,081 --> 01:33:47,153
They know how slow I am,
so they can do stuff
in between.
1962
01:33:47,356 --> 01:33:48,649
"Come on, Reeves!"
They compensate.
1963
01:33:48,852 --> 01:33:50,389
You figure
everyone else does that.
1964
01:33:50,692 --> 01:33:52,353
I don't know
why movies don't.
They don't.
1965
01:33:52,422 --> 01:33:53,990
[grunting]
1966
01:33:55,563 --> 01:33:56,957
[crew member 1] Cut!
[crew member 2] Cut.
1967
01:33:57,292 --> 01:33:58,295
[Schultz] Keanu, you know,
he's a perfectionist.
1968
01:33:58,363 --> 01:33:59,564
[Reeves] I sucked.
1969
01:33:59,733 --> 01:34:01,326
[Schultz] And he is
very hard on himself.
1970
01:34:01,528 --> 01:34:02,830
Obviously, his biggest action
movies other than John Wick
1971
01:34:03,066 --> 01:34:05,227
were the Matrix movies.
And the Wachowskis,
1972
01:34:05,363 --> 01:34:07,805
you know,
there was no good enough.
1973
01:34:07,974 --> 01:34:10,072
And even if it is perfect,
we'll shoot it ten more times
1974
01:34:10,241 --> 01:34:12,274
and make sure
it's perfect-perfect,
you know, super-perfect.
1975
01:34:12,443 --> 01:34:14,175
Super-perfect.
1976
01:34:14,377 --> 01:34:16,240
That's a Reevesian word,
super-perfect.
Yeah, that's--
1977
01:34:16,409 --> 01:34:18,749
That's where we get
the fuckity fucks.
Yeah.
1978
01:34:18,918 --> 01:34:21,782
All directed at yourself,
which is very admirable.
1979
01:34:21,951 --> 01:34:24,153
-[upbeat music playing]
-[grunting]
1980
01:34:24,322 --> 01:34:26,283
Fuck! Fuck!
1981
01:34:26,451 --> 01:34:28,689
[crew member]
Cut. We'll go again.
Fuck!
1982
01:34:28,891 --> 01:34:30,697
I can't do
the fucking lock.
1983
01:34:30,899 --> 01:34:34,328
Fucking lock,
fucking, fucking lock,
fucking lock, fuck.
1984
01:34:34,497 --> 01:34:37,436
Fuck! Fuck!
1985
01:34:37,605 --> 01:34:39,535
Fucker. Fucking, fucking,
fucking fuck.
1986
01:34:39,737 --> 01:34:42,770
Fuck.
That is my bad. Fuck!
1987
01:34:42,939 --> 01:34:45,305
Okay, now
let's just do that.
1988
01:34:45,474 --> 01:34:46,373
Fuck!
1989
01:34:46,575 --> 01:34:48,638
[grunting]
1990
01:34:48,807 --> 01:34:49,706
Fuck.
1991
01:34:49,908 --> 01:34:51,674
[laughing]
1992
01:34:51,843 --> 01:34:52,950
Fuck!
1993
01:34:53,119 --> 01:34:54,051
Fuck!
1994
01:34:54,253 --> 01:34:56,789
Fuck. Fuck.
1995
01:35:01,925 --> 01:35:04,525
Fuck it. I fucked that up.
Fuck!
1996
01:35:04,661 --> 01:35:05,626
[crew member 1] Cut.
1997
01:35:05,862 --> 01:35:06,859
[crew member 2] Got it?
Fuck!
1998
01:35:06,994 --> 01:35:08,961
[crew member 3] Yes.
Fuck!
1999
01:35:09,130 --> 01:35:10,169
[crew member 1]
Let's go again.
2000
01:35:10,337 --> 01:35:13,971
So, the fucks come from,
2001
01:35:14,140 --> 01:35:17,073
number one,
you wanna do it well.
You wanna do it right.
2002
01:35:17,275 --> 01:35:20,879
And also, when I've been
thinking about it, it's like...
2003
01:35:21,983 --> 01:35:23,707
[sighs]
2004
01:35:23,875 --> 01:35:27,980
...when you have to do
a wire, or you go
into an action sequence,
2005
01:35:28,149 --> 01:35:31,186
you basically
have like a spring.
2006
01:35:31,355 --> 01:35:34,321
You know, you have a tension
that's waiting to release.
2007
01:35:34,490 --> 01:35:38,028
And I feel like
the fucks are a way
to like... [grunts]
2008
01:35:38,197 --> 01:35:41,695
It's like a kiai.
Yeah. It's like a kiai.
Like, "Fuck!"
2009
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:43,826
[exclaims] Like, "Fuck."
2010
01:35:44,195 --> 01:35:47,639
And then, you get to
ratchet it back up and go,
"Okay, let's try again."
2011
01:35:47,707 --> 01:35:50,370
[crew member]
Three, two, one, action.
2012
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:53,572
Yeah.
2013
01:35:53,741 --> 01:35:56,015
[grunting]
2014
01:35:56,184 --> 01:35:59,614
[Perry] Reeves has consistently
been one of the kindest,
hardest-working,
2015
01:35:59,816 --> 01:36:04,889
gentle, generous people
that I've ever met inside
or outside of this business.
2016
01:36:05,058 --> 01:36:07,925
But when he plugs in and
he goes all in on something,
2017
01:36:08,094 --> 01:36:10,562
he's going all in, and
you gotta be ready for that.
2018
01:36:10,731 --> 01:36:12,058
[Dacascos]
He knows what he's doing,
2019
01:36:12,327 --> 01:36:14,695
and when he grabs you
to do a throw or flip,
2020
01:36:14,764 --> 01:36:16,802
it's like a vice.
2021
01:36:17,004 --> 01:36:21,031
And if you look
on my Instagram,
I posted a small picture.
2022
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,742
My arms are just like, what?
2023
01:36:23,911 --> 01:36:26,843
But I was proud of those.
I earned those, you know?
2024
01:36:27,045 --> 01:36:30,212
John Wick, Chad and Keanu
right here, all over.
2025
01:36:36,182 --> 01:36:39,882
[Iwanyk] I cannot tell you
how many times on a John Wick
set I have taken my phone
2026
01:36:40,051 --> 01:36:43,721
and have videoed stunts
and fight scenes
that were happening.
2027
01:36:43,890 --> 01:36:48,131
Not for any other reason
but to say, "Look,
this actually was done."
2028
01:36:51,037 --> 01:36:53,104
You know, I've seen
Keanu and his stunt double
2029
01:36:53,272 --> 01:36:56,733
go through some
incredibly physical trauma
on these movies.
2030
01:37:05,912 --> 01:37:08,118
[grunting]
2031
01:37:12,086 --> 01:37:14,158
[people cheering, applauding]
2032
01:37:14,326 --> 01:37:17,524
[Spidell] Getting the chance
to double Keanu
was pretty surreal.
2033
01:37:17,727 --> 01:37:21,630
His relationship with Chad
being his double
through The Matrix,
2034
01:37:21,798 --> 01:37:23,595
which changed my life...
2035
01:37:23,797 --> 01:37:28,105
So, having Chad
pass me the torch
was just a huge honor.
2036
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:32,604
And just getting to meet Reeves
and make that relationship.
2037
01:37:34,312 --> 01:37:37,808
Well, they're playing
the character too,
you know?
2038
01:37:37,977 --> 01:37:40,511
[grunting]
2039
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:46,453
And they're doing things
where they can get hurt.
2040
01:37:47,460 --> 01:37:49,126
Like, really hurt.
2041
01:37:51,096 --> 01:37:53,196
I don't know how many car hits
Jackson took.
2042
01:37:56,796 --> 01:37:59,972
I mean, if someone
counted those,
there's at least 20.
2043
01:38:01,106 --> 01:38:03,173
And that's, like,
in an edited version.
2044
01:38:09,707 --> 01:38:11,383
And then all of the falls
that he did...
2045
01:38:11,552 --> 01:38:12,677
[crew member]
...one, go!
2046
01:38:13,782 --> 01:38:15,377
[groaning]
2047
01:38:15,546 --> 01:38:16,890
[Reeves]
Crashing, hitting...
2048
01:38:18,552 --> 01:38:22,093
collisions that are like,
"Oh, no. What?"
2049
01:38:24,695 --> 01:38:28,191
And then all of
the choreography that
he could do that I couldn't do,
2050
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:29,694
you know, just physically.
2051
01:38:32,904 --> 01:38:34,933
Also the skill,
the movement,
2052
01:38:35,135 --> 01:38:38,870
the way he moved,
the way that he, you know, paid
attention to the character,
2053
01:38:39,039 --> 01:38:40,513
to me in the role.
2054
01:38:40,649 --> 01:38:42,376
And there's a talent
to that.
2055
01:38:42,778 --> 01:38:45,245
It's not just,
like, put the pads on
and get hit by a car.
2056
01:38:45,314 --> 01:38:47,018
You know,
he's playing John Wick.
2057
01:38:47,387 --> 01:38:49,186
And he's gotta move...
You want to sell it
a little bit.
2058
01:38:50,387 --> 01:38:53,221
So, I think you're bonded
and connected in art,
2059
01:38:53,390 --> 01:38:56,028
and you're connected
in the physicality of it.
2060
01:39:04,333 --> 01:39:07,064
We're all very
masochistic in a way.
2061
01:39:07,233 --> 01:39:10,537
It's just like, "It hurts."
It's a "Thank you, sir.
May I have another?"
2062
01:39:12,378 --> 01:39:17,709
My greatest physical pain was
from the high fall on Wick 3.
2063
01:39:23,784 --> 01:39:28,221
So, I fall
I think it was 12 feet
to this little awning,
2064
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:30,324
which is Lexan,
which is like a plastic.
2065
01:39:30,527 --> 01:39:33,556
Slide down, I'm supposed to
catch my feet on the ledge
2066
01:39:33,725 --> 01:39:36,960
and, like, pencil over,
like dead body,
2067
01:39:37,128 --> 01:39:40,764
turn until I land
on my back half on,
half off the fire escape.
2068
01:39:40,933 --> 01:39:43,075
It's supposed to collapse
and I'm supposed to fall.
2069
01:39:47,540 --> 01:39:48,741
You're going to...
Yep. Yes, sir.
2070
01:39:48,910 --> 01:39:49,939
All right.
2071
01:39:53,147 --> 01:39:54,779
Well, we tested the gag,
2072
01:39:54,947 --> 01:39:59,454
but we never tested the suit
on the Lexan that I slide down.
2073
01:39:59,623 --> 01:40:03,492
I just had, like,
workout clothes on
or something like that.
2074
01:40:03,661 --> 01:40:08,199
And so, the static electricity
from a suit
creates less friction...
2075
01:40:10,970 --> 01:40:13,772
so I think when I fell,
I slid so fast
2076
01:40:13,941 --> 01:40:16,866
that by the time
I figured out where I was,
2077
01:40:17,068 --> 01:40:19,602
my feet were going past where
they were supposed to catch.
2078
01:40:19,771 --> 01:40:23,282
So my hip ended up
chipping off the ledge.
2079
01:40:23,485 --> 01:40:26,779
And I'm going sideways,
so I'm about to
Million Dollar Baby myself.
2080
01:40:26,948 --> 01:40:32,058
Luckily, I caught myself
and landed basically
on the back of my head.
2081
01:40:33,685 --> 01:40:35,290
The fire escape
didn't break away,
2082
01:40:35,459 --> 01:40:37,961
which would have let me fall
and continue the shot
2083
01:40:38,130 --> 01:40:40,297
to where I would
fall into a box catcher.
2084
01:40:43,096 --> 01:40:45,731
The first thing that
I thought of was just like,
"Move your foot."
2085
01:40:47,140 --> 01:40:49,232
My foot moved, and I was like,
"Oh, thank God."
2086
01:40:49,434 --> 01:40:51,903
"We're gonna try the other
one." The other went...
I was like, "Okay, great."
2087
01:40:52,105 --> 01:40:53,839
[applause]
2088
01:40:54,007 --> 01:40:56,375
[Spidell] This is how
I knew it looked bad
in the video village.
2089
01:40:56,544 --> 01:40:59,041
Someone said Chad went, "Fuck!"
[laughs]
2090
01:40:59,210 --> 01:41:00,752
[Stahelski]
I can bring a Condor
or you can come down your way.
2091
01:41:00,954 --> 01:41:02,484
I'll just drop.
[Stahelski] Okay.
2092
01:41:03,349 --> 01:41:05,157
Three, two, one, jump!
2093
01:41:06,824 --> 01:41:09,425
[Spidell] I just looked down
and Chad's just
hands in his pockets.
2094
01:41:11,031 --> 01:41:14,067
"How you doing?"
I'm like, "That sucked."
2095
01:41:14,799 --> 01:41:16,592
That was... Fuck.
2096
01:41:16,761 --> 01:41:18,731
[Stahelski]
You all right?
Yeah.
2097
01:41:19,134 --> 01:41:21,505
I'm like,
"Do we need to go again?"
He's like, "I'd like to."
2098
01:41:21,574 --> 01:41:24,037
He's like, "Can you?"
I was like,
"Yeah, but if we go again,
2099
01:41:24,205 --> 01:41:25,669
we need to go, like, now
2100
01:41:25,838 --> 01:41:28,444
because I have a feeling
in about ten minutes,
2101
01:41:28,646 --> 01:41:32,012
I'm going to be like Batman
'cause I landed on my head."
2102
01:41:32,180 --> 01:41:35,284
He's like, "All right.
Well, let's figure out
what we need to do to fix it,
2103
01:41:35,486 --> 01:41:38,715
and let's go. All right.
I'm glad you're okay."
2104
01:41:38,883 --> 01:41:42,061
Why was it so slick?
That was slick as shit.
2105
01:41:42,230 --> 01:41:44,557
[Spidell] So I went
and did it again.
[chuckles]
2106
01:41:44,726 --> 01:41:49,759
This is another testament
to our, like, bullshit.
2107
01:41:49,928 --> 01:41:52,366
See Chad looking at the monitor
and I was like,
2108
01:41:52,534 --> 01:41:54,140
"All right, how was that?"
He's like,
2109
01:41:55,241 --> 01:41:56,800
"Well, we're not
going to beat the first one."
2110
01:41:57,002 --> 01:41:59,075
He's like, "It looks
like you just fucking die."
2111
01:41:59,244 --> 01:42:00,938
And I was like, "Well, yeah."
[chuckles]
2112
01:42:03,276 --> 01:42:08,580
So, you know,
you're watching another person
put their health at risk.
2113
01:42:08,749 --> 01:42:10,984
You know? But you also
know that they love it.
2114
01:42:11,186 --> 01:42:12,086
[crew member] Nice jump.
2115
01:42:12,255 --> 01:42:13,584
[Reeves] And you also know that
2116
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,156
when it turns out well
and everybody's okay,
2117
01:42:16,225 --> 01:42:17,988
it's like, "Fuck yeah!"
2118
01:42:18,190 --> 01:42:20,897
And so, for me, it's just like
you're admiring what they do.
2119
01:42:21,065 --> 01:42:22,628
We're all wearing the suit.
2120
01:42:22,797 --> 01:42:24,894
[Stahelski] When you
come up as a stuntperson,
2121
01:42:25,063 --> 01:42:27,169
if you're looking for credit
and notoriety,
2122
01:42:27,371 --> 01:42:28,831
you're in the wrong end
of the business.
2123
01:42:29,033 --> 01:42:30,438
You get to do this little part.
You get to...
2124
01:42:30,607 --> 01:42:34,269
You have the anonymity
that I've always enjoyed.
2125
01:42:34,438 --> 01:42:37,275
And then, you know,
you get to work with
some of Hollywood's best,
2126
01:42:37,444 --> 01:42:39,516
and you get to be a ninja.
2127
01:42:39,719 --> 01:42:42,016
No one knew who you were,
but you still got to sit
in the movie theater
2128
01:42:42,218 --> 01:42:43,749
and go, "Yeah, that's me."
2129
01:42:43,918 --> 01:42:46,051
And you pull off some of the
greatest moments in Hollywood.
2130
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:50,625
I'm pretty sure that
I have died more than
anyone else in the Wick series.
2131
01:42:53,301 --> 01:42:56,829
Wick 2, in the tunnels,
I was taking just shotgun hits.
2132
01:43:00,436 --> 01:43:02,769
Wick 3,
Halle killed me as well.
2133
01:43:05,442 --> 01:43:07,939
I played guards
inside the Continental.
2134
01:43:10,511 --> 01:43:12,449
I die twice in
the club scene...
2135
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:16,316
once inside the house,
2136
01:43:16,485 --> 01:43:18,384
two times
in the house of mirrors,
2137
01:43:18,586 --> 01:43:21,024
a bunch of times
inside the tunnel,
2138
01:43:21,193 --> 01:43:22,558
probably like
four times in there.
2139
01:43:25,864 --> 01:43:28,326
I also doubled
Michael Nyqvist, so I guess
I died there as well.
2140
01:43:28,495 --> 01:43:30,600
-[screams]
-[laughs]
2141
01:43:30,802 --> 01:43:34,031
There's a fight scene
in John Wick 1
that Keanu strangles me.
2142
01:43:35,641 --> 01:43:40,010
Then in 2, we shot a big scene
in Lincoln Square, I think,
2143
01:43:40,179 --> 01:43:42,381
but it never made it
in the movie.
2144
01:43:42,584 --> 01:43:46,210
Then in John Wick 3,
I'm the guy
who kicks him underwater,
2145
01:43:46,379 --> 01:43:47,810
super slow motion,
2146
01:43:47,979 --> 01:43:50,345
then Keanu comes up,
blows my brains out.
2147
01:43:50,514 --> 01:43:53,258
At Trader Joe's, there was some
young guy who kind of was like,
2148
01:43:53,460 --> 01:43:55,658
"You've been in a movie.
I've seen it. I've seen it."
2149
01:43:55,860 --> 01:43:58,058
I was like, "Yeah, I've been
in a couple movies
like John Wick."
2150
01:43:58,260 --> 01:44:00,058
He's like, "You were
in John Wick?" I go,
"Yeah." He's like, "Cool."
2151
01:44:00,227 --> 01:44:03,099
And then the next day
I come in, and he yells
from across the way,
2152
01:44:03,301 --> 01:44:05,997
"Hey, hey,
that's the Speedo guy."
2153
01:44:17,413 --> 01:44:18,581
[crew member]
Check, recheck.
2154
01:44:20,853 --> 01:44:21,947
[Stahelski] Cut!
2155
01:44:24,490 --> 01:44:26,552
[Lee] 3 was hard
because we shot everything
2156
01:44:26,721 --> 01:44:29,788
but not Morocco
because of weather,
2157
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:34,225
and Halle had broken her ribs
and needed time to heal.
2158
01:44:34,394 --> 01:44:36,926
And so we had this
moment in time where
we were editing the movie,
2159
01:44:37,095 --> 01:44:38,464
but the middle
of the movie wasn't there.
2160
01:44:38,666 --> 01:44:40,038
We still couldn't
figure it out.
2161
01:44:40,374 --> 01:44:42,737
We didn't have enough money
to do that piece.
2162
01:44:44,542 --> 01:44:48,707
And then got to Morocco,
and Morocco was awful.
2163
01:44:48,876 --> 01:44:51,748
[laughing] I mean,
just like everything about it.
2164
01:44:51,917 --> 01:44:54,281
We were supposed to shoot
in one place.
We ended up in Essaouira.
2165
01:44:54,449 --> 01:44:56,885
We couldn't permit anything.
2166
01:44:57,054 --> 01:45:01,253
And then, we had the dogs,
which also we had to ferry
from the US.
2167
01:45:01,422 --> 01:45:03,591
There's five dogs.
We get there, and one of
the dogs wouldn't perform
2168
01:45:03,693 --> 01:45:05,096
because they just
didn't like Morocco.
2169
01:45:05,532 --> 01:45:07,957
-[barks]
-[Lee] It was also
this fishing village,
2170
01:45:08,026 --> 01:45:09,827
and so there was
dead fish everywhere,
2171
01:45:10,029 --> 01:45:11,761
which meant there was
stray cats everywhere.
2172
01:45:11,930 --> 01:45:14,337
So there was
fucking cats everywhere.
2173
01:45:14,539 --> 01:45:16,566
[dog handler]
Santana, over here.
[cat yowls]
2174
01:45:16,734 --> 01:45:18,410
Santana, over here. Hey.
2175
01:45:18,579 --> 01:45:21,641
[Lee] In trying to get the dogs
to focus and not kill the cats,
2176
01:45:21,809 --> 01:45:24,840
we built a cat hotel
on the side of the set.
2177
01:45:25,043 --> 01:45:27,079
I mean, it was
just like pure mayhem.
2178
01:45:27,181 --> 01:45:29,114
Fuck!
2179
01:45:29,549 --> 01:45:33,688
When we wrap, everyone
always has the same emotion,
which is "Never again."
2180
01:45:33,757 --> 01:45:36,389
Like, "Fuck this. Never again."
Especially Keanu.
2181
01:45:36,592 --> 01:45:39,593
At the end of every John Wick,
we're like, "There's just
never gonna be another one,"
2182
01:45:39,762 --> 01:45:41,857
because we are so dead
and we hate each other,
2183
01:45:42,059 --> 01:45:43,831
and Keanu
is literally half dead.
2184
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,964
Halfway through, Keanu's like,
"At the end of this movie..."
2185
01:45:46,133 --> 01:45:49,041
I'm not exaggerating. He goes,
"I want to be beheaded.
2186
01:45:49,243 --> 01:45:51,474
I want to see the guy
holding up my head."
2187
01:45:51,643 --> 01:45:54,840
And I'm just like,
"One, no, and two, nice try,
2188
01:45:55,009 --> 01:45:56,343
'cause you will never be able
to come back again."
2189
01:45:56,545 --> 01:45:59,316
After 3, we were like, "Okay.
2190
01:45:59,485 --> 01:46:01,051
That's it. That's enough."
That's good.
2191
01:46:01,253 --> 01:46:02,517
"We've done it. We're good."
2192
01:46:02,685 --> 01:46:04,552
And it just kept eating at me,
eating at me.
2193
01:46:04,755 --> 01:46:06,723
Like, we didn't get to do
our Japanese portion.
2194
01:46:06,925 --> 01:46:09,354
We didn't get to do
our samurai version.
There was so much left.
2195
01:46:09,523 --> 01:46:13,791
I remember sitting with you
going, "Okay, I got
a pretty good why this time."
2196
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:15,524
You just felt like
there was more to do.
2197
01:46:15,693 --> 01:46:16,963
Yeah.
[laughs]
2198
01:46:21,675 --> 01:46:24,206
Do you think you're ready to do
the forward 180 one-handed?
2199
01:46:24,375 --> 01:46:26,643
Yes.
And with your right hand?
2200
01:46:28,379 --> 01:46:29,643
Let's try it.
Let's try it.
2201
01:46:29,811 --> 01:46:31,381
Do you want the gun now
or on the next one?
2202
01:46:31,550 --> 01:46:33,081
Let's do it on the next one.
Okay, I got it.
2203
01:46:33,283 --> 01:46:35,388
[upbeat music playing]
2204
01:46:41,829 --> 01:46:44,194
[Stahelski] We were told that
there was too much action
in John Wick 3,
2205
01:46:44,363 --> 01:46:45,924
-so we had to cut it down.
-No.
2206
01:46:46,126 --> 01:46:49,058
[Stahelski] Boy, did we
show them in number four, huh?
2207
01:46:49,227 --> 01:46:51,228
[upbeat music continues]
[car engine revving]
2208
01:46:57,677 --> 01:47:00,045
[Lee] What was hard about 4
was we weren't in New York,
2209
01:47:00,214 --> 01:47:02,308
so the DNA of the movie
had changed.
2210
01:47:02,543 --> 01:47:05,781
So all of a sudden,
we were making kinda like
the international Wick version,
2211
01:47:05,916 --> 01:47:08,611
which was like
a little bit hard for us
to get our sea legs.
2212
01:47:08,813 --> 01:47:10,379
And we had Donnie Yen...
2213
01:47:12,988 --> 01:47:16,121
which, amazing, but also
another movie star on set.
2214
01:47:18,028 --> 01:47:20,865
And we started sort of behind.
We were spending
a lot of money.
2215
01:47:21,034 --> 01:47:25,200
[Iwanyk] It was coming off
the pandemic, all of the masks
and all that bullshit.
2216
01:47:25,369 --> 01:47:26,802
And it was a gigantic movie.
2217
01:47:29,836 --> 01:47:31,543
And it was also
almost 100 days.
2218
01:47:31,712 --> 01:47:33,238
You know, when you think
about the first movie,
it was like 40.
2219
01:47:33,407 --> 01:47:34,808
Oh, my hips.
2220
01:47:35,010 --> 01:47:37,214
[Iwanyk] You could push someone
well past the limit
2221
01:47:37,383 --> 01:47:38,745
when you're
shooting 40 or 50 days.
2222
01:47:38,914 --> 01:47:41,317
When you're on day 92,
you got to be careful.
2223
01:47:41,486 --> 01:47:42,747
[crew member] Cut!
Goddamn it.
2224
01:47:43,149 --> 01:47:46,152
Why can't I fucking do
that fucking throw?
2225
01:47:46,220 --> 01:47:48,118
[Schultz]
They never got easier,
and even as John Wick 4,
2226
01:47:48,287 --> 01:47:50,121
you know, now we got
a hundred plus million dollars,
2227
01:47:50,290 --> 01:47:53,063
because now we're-- we're
trying to make $120 million
2228
01:47:53,231 --> 01:47:54,390
look like $200 million.
2229
01:47:57,900 --> 01:47:59,767
[Lee] We also didn't have
our, like, core,
2230
01:47:59,936 --> 01:48:02,335
that crew that we had
for the three other movies,
2231
01:48:02,537 --> 01:48:03,834
and it felt different.
2232
01:48:04,204 --> 01:48:05,341
All of a sudden,
we're like based in Berlin.
2233
01:48:05,410 --> 01:48:07,072
We had a lot of
different teams.
2234
01:48:07,241 --> 01:48:11,740
And so, it was just like
getting into a rhythm was hard.
2235
01:48:11,909 --> 01:48:13,317
Is that another car?
2236
01:48:13,486 --> 01:48:15,611
No. It would be...
So, he would hit--
2237
01:48:15,780 --> 01:48:18,687
He hits the car,
doesn't know he hits the car,
then he gets floored?
2238
01:48:18,890 --> 01:48:22,360
Yeah. And behind that car,
Bruce comes out of the abyss.
2239
01:48:22,562 --> 01:48:24,926
Chad said, "I need you
to come do Wick 4."
2240
01:48:25,094 --> 01:48:28,494
I was like, "Awesome. We're
gonna have the team together."
2241
01:48:28,662 --> 01:48:32,797
Nope. No Jackson because he's
becoming a fight coordinator,
stunt coordinator.
2242
01:48:32,966 --> 01:48:35,002
JoJo's working
on his own shows.
2243
01:48:37,242 --> 01:48:42,176
So, I was under the microscope
of Chad with no older brothers
to watch my back.
2244
01:48:42,345 --> 01:48:44,010
[Marinas] Nice.
2245
01:48:44,245 --> 01:48:47,819
Chad just was like, "You're up.
Don't fuck up." [laughs]
2246
01:48:47,955 --> 01:48:50,981
Instead of blocking,
you shoot. And I shoot.
And he's like, I shoot.
2247
01:48:51,150 --> 01:48:53,623
It sounds very...
It looks very childish.
2248
01:48:53,792 --> 01:48:56,562
Donnie was a whole
nother entity to deal with.
2249
01:48:58,398 --> 01:49:00,192
Being the perfectionist
that he is,
2250
01:49:00,627 --> 01:49:04,134
he takes regular
fight choreography and puts
his Donnie factor on it,
2251
01:49:04,202 --> 01:49:07,238
and he throws
a bunch of curveballs that
we just had to be ready for.
2252
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:09,837
This is...
There's no technique.
2253
01:49:10,006 --> 01:49:12,470
We got to put some Filipino,
like, a Kali in there.
2254
01:49:12,639 --> 01:49:15,712
Pop, pop, pop, pop.
You know, the pop...
You know, use that technique.
2255
01:49:15,881 --> 01:49:20,014
So, the pressure was high,
but he just wanted the best.
2256
01:49:25,493 --> 01:49:27,183
[crew member] Cut!
That's fucking awesome.
2257
01:49:27,352 --> 01:49:29,488
[Marinas] And that's
how I would equate Chad.
2258
01:49:29,657 --> 01:49:31,521
Chad wants the best.
2259
01:49:31,690 --> 01:49:34,523
In Chad's words,
"Don't do your best.
Do my best." [chuckles]
2260
01:49:37,497 --> 01:49:40,870
I'll tell you one thing,
because Chad
changes things so much.
2261
01:49:41,039 --> 01:49:45,575
The nunchuck fight
is almost shot for shot
the previs. [laughs]
2262
01:49:45,744 --> 01:49:47,075
So, there's one thing
I'm proud about.
2263
01:49:47,244 --> 01:49:49,076
[grunting]
2264
01:49:52,914 --> 01:49:54,685
[crew member]
Good, cut. Cut.
2265
01:49:55,088 --> 01:49:57,089
[Marinas]
Keanu was extra stressed out
during the nunchuck fight
2266
01:49:57,191 --> 01:50:00,618
because the first thing
you think about when you see
nunchucks is Bruce Lee.
2267
01:50:00,687 --> 01:50:03,687
[Stahelski] Nunchucks
are always one of those things
that sounds great
2268
01:50:03,856 --> 01:50:07,389
until you realize
how much work has to go
into them, as we found out.
2269
01:50:07,558 --> 01:50:09,931
And back in his day,
they didn't make all soft...
2270
01:50:10,100 --> 01:50:11,634
[Stahelski]
Didn't have the soft side.
...rubbery.
2271
01:50:11,836 --> 01:50:13,905
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's all wood.
No. Wood.
2272
01:50:14,074 --> 01:50:17,633
When Tiger and I were
trying them, they were...
there was a penalty.
2273
01:50:17,836 --> 01:50:19,010
Consequences.
2274
01:50:19,079 --> 01:50:20,376
So many times.
2275
01:50:20,879 --> 01:50:22,714
There was
a lot of penalties
on John Wick 4.
2276
01:50:22,782 --> 01:50:25,080
I'd pick up the real pair
and go like, "Oh, no."
2277
01:50:25,248 --> 01:50:27,049
No, no.
2278
01:50:27,218 --> 01:50:29,716
Literally, anybody
that picked up the real pair,
ten seconds later,
2279
01:50:29,885 --> 01:50:31,756
yeah, put them back down
going, "Fuck."
2280
01:50:32,787 --> 01:50:34,056
[crew member] And action!
2281
01:50:34,225 --> 01:50:35,892
[grunting]
2282
01:50:45,304 --> 01:50:47,833
[Schultz] Probably
we should have bee able to
shoot that fight in half a day.
2283
01:50:48,036 --> 01:50:49,775
[Reeves]
Wrong fucking hand, Reeves.
2284
01:50:49,943 --> 01:50:52,506
But Keanu had
a horrible ear infection.
Could not hear anything.
2285
01:50:52,708 --> 01:50:54,472
I know he had to feel awful.
2286
01:50:54,641 --> 01:50:55,940
Goddamn it.
2287
01:50:56,109 --> 01:50:57,416
[Schultz]
It took us, I think,
2288
01:50:57,585 --> 01:50:59,007
at least a whole day,
maybe a day and a half.
2289
01:50:59,209 --> 01:51:02,110
But, you know, he never quit.
2290
01:51:02,279 --> 01:51:04,251
Why do I keep doing that,
man?
2291
01:51:04,620 --> 01:51:08,351
Keanu, throughout
the whole movie of Wick 4,
he kind of had the flu.
2292
01:51:08,420 --> 01:51:12,156
And the work ethic
to work through it was intense
2293
01:51:12,324 --> 01:51:14,432
because we had
already started shooting.
2294
01:51:14,534 --> 01:51:15,895
He was doing
a couple other fights.
2295
01:51:16,231 --> 01:51:18,698
But on his off time,
when he wasn't on camera,
2296
01:51:18,767 --> 01:51:20,130
he was training nunchucks.
2297
01:51:20,433 --> 01:51:22,203
We would say, "You're sick.
Take a day off."
2298
01:51:22,338 --> 01:51:25,136
He's like, "No days off.
I shoot nunchucks
in a couple days."
2299
01:51:25,304 --> 01:51:27,839
Does he have a wall?
We've never found it.
2300
01:51:28,008 --> 01:51:29,847
[crew member]
Ready and action!
2301
01:51:33,583 --> 01:51:35,884
[Stahelski] A lot of
the Wicks are like love letters
to things that we love.
2302
01:51:36,086 --> 01:51:37,916
Like the low-budget
action movies
we grew up loving.
2303
01:51:38,119 --> 01:51:40,518
So we had Mark Dacascos
in John Wick 3.
2304
01:51:40,687 --> 01:51:43,385
I mean, we had Gary Daniels
in number two,
Daniel Bernhardt,
2305
01:51:43,587 --> 01:51:46,124
you know, Yayan and Cecep
from The Raid.
2306
01:51:46,292 --> 01:51:48,128
I mean, look who we got
on number four.
2307
01:51:48,297 --> 01:51:49,898
That was one of the things.
We don't know the script,
2308
01:51:50,100 --> 01:51:52,303
but I know Scott Adkins
is going to be in a fat suit.
2309
01:51:52,506 --> 01:51:54,403
Chad, I want to be
in John Wick 4.
2310
01:51:54,605 --> 01:51:56,003
Yeah.
That phone call--
2311
01:51:56,172 --> 01:51:57,967
Thanks for this opportunity.
I really appreciate it.
2312
01:51:58,136 --> 01:51:59,478
I remember that phone call--
2313
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:01,478
But I don't wanna do
another movie with you.
2314
01:52:01,614 --> 01:52:04,475
I've had enough,
to be quite frank.
2315
01:52:04,643 --> 01:52:06,883
Nothing's better for me when
I get to call up Marko Zaror,
2316
01:52:07,052 --> 01:52:09,550
who I didn't know before
we worked together, saying,
2317
01:52:09,719 --> 01:52:12,188
"Hey, man, I really love
all your films." He's like,
"You're kidding, right?"
2318
01:52:12,357 --> 01:52:14,654
I was like, "No, really.
We watch them all the time.
They're awesome."
2319
01:52:14,822 --> 01:52:16,386
I killed Mark Dacascos.
2320
01:52:16,622 --> 01:52:18,556
I killed Scott Adkins. Now
I'm going to kill Marko Zaror.
2321
01:52:18,692 --> 01:52:20,091
[chuckles]
2322
01:52:20,393 --> 01:52:22,627
Who's left, man?
Cynthia Rothrock?
[chuckles]
2323
01:52:22,696 --> 01:52:25,997
[Stahelski] Shamier,
when you come in,
give it a one one-thousand,
2324
01:52:26,166 --> 01:52:27,865
then he can
build in his look.
Cool.
2325
01:52:28,034 --> 01:52:29,538
Beat, one one-thousand, go.
2326
01:52:29,707 --> 01:52:30,871
That's your first one.
Cool.
2327
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:33,373
Should I wait to see him
before I dodge?
2328
01:52:33,542 --> 01:52:36,539
I think you could do it
at the same time.
Shamier counts to 1,000.
2329
01:52:36,708 --> 01:52:38,542
If you go to peek
as soon as you hit...
[Reeves] Okay.
2330
01:52:38,710 --> 01:52:40,418
...you'll run into him
and that can be the,
"Oh, shit."
2331
01:52:40,587 --> 01:52:42,614
[Reeves] Okay.
Someone say action.
2332
01:52:42,816 --> 01:52:44,787
Ready, and action.
2333
01:52:44,989 --> 01:52:47,190
[Anderson imitates gunfire]
Boom. Go back. Boom.
2334
01:52:47,359 --> 01:52:48,255
[Anderson] Bang.
2335
01:52:48,424 --> 01:52:49,459
Bang.
2336
01:52:49,662 --> 01:52:53,293
Bang. Drop gun.
Draw. Bang, bang.
2337
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:59,137
[Stahelski]
Nice. Action hero.
2338
01:52:59,339 --> 01:53:01,367
[upbeat music playing]
2339
01:53:08,741 --> 01:53:11,608
We came up with
this idea for top shot
and what you see here...
2340
01:53:11,777 --> 01:53:13,908
Why do you keep saying "we"?
Well, I mean the crew.
Everybody.
2341
01:53:14,077 --> 01:53:16,084
'Cause like, okay,
I came up with the idea,
this is my thought...
2342
01:53:16,253 --> 01:53:18,119
What do you mean?
This is like
one of the first things,
2343
01:53:18,288 --> 01:53:21,491
this was one of the ideas,
the concepts that followed us,
2344
01:53:21,694 --> 01:53:23,318
the duel, the top shot...
Exactly.
2345
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:26,227
More horses,
that was on the plate.
2346
01:53:26,396 --> 01:53:28,928
So, we came up
with all this stuff.
Why? Where's the "we"?
2347
01:53:29,097 --> 01:53:30,497
Well... [chuckles]
...can you lie?
2348
01:53:30,700 --> 01:53:32,495
You! You!
No. No.
2349
01:53:32,698 --> 01:53:34,797
-You!
-They don't see it
'cause top shots--
2350
01:53:34,999 --> 01:53:38,002
No. There was no we who said,
"I see a top shot
in John Wick 4."
2351
01:53:38,071 --> 01:53:39,942
We wanted to do a top shot--
2352
01:53:40,445 --> 01:53:42,210
It was like, "I'm Chad
and, yeah, that's what
I see in my head."
2353
01:53:42,279 --> 01:53:44,475
All right,
so kooky director guy
comes up with this idea.
2354
01:53:44,644 --> 01:53:47,246
Thank you.
And I used to play
with Etch A Sketch as a kid.
2355
01:53:47,415 --> 01:53:49,815
So, I'm like seeing things
in Etch A Sketch world.
2356
01:53:49,983 --> 01:53:54,357
And one of the things
I've always hated about action
movies is editing to hide,
2357
01:53:54,526 --> 01:53:55,923
camerawork to hide.
2358
01:53:56,292 --> 01:53:57,993
Because most times,
you don't have Keanu Reeves,
2359
01:53:58,062 --> 01:53:59,488
you don't have
six months of rehearsals,
2360
01:53:59,824 --> 01:54:01,426
you don't have the best
stunt teams in the world.
2361
01:54:01,628 --> 01:54:03,564
So, you're hiding wires,
you're hiding green screen,
2362
01:54:03,633 --> 01:54:05,464
you're hiding stunt doubles,
you're hiding,
hiding, hiding, hiding.
2363
01:54:05,566 --> 01:54:09,266
So what would happen if you
didn't have to hide anything?
2364
01:54:09,435 --> 01:54:11,472
We wanted to say,
"Hey, watch this, guys.
2365
01:54:11,674 --> 01:54:14,141
We're gonna see
Keanu Reeves do all this,
come up to a top shot
2366
01:54:14,276 --> 01:54:16,014
and then show all the bad guys
behind the wall,"
2367
01:54:16,182 --> 01:54:19,112
so the audience
is in on the gags,
even before our lead actor is,
2368
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:20,979
because they can see
the bad guys coming in.
2369
01:54:21,081 --> 01:54:22,344
Kind of like Etch A Sketch.
2370
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:24,484
But I don't think
there's been a time
2371
01:54:24,586 --> 01:54:27,156
where we haven't had pushback,
because people don't see it.
2372
01:54:27,325 --> 01:54:31,221
So, without maybe
telling anybody,
we started to build the set.
2373
01:54:31,423 --> 01:54:33,191
So we're already
spending the money.
2374
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:35,734
So by the time the
actual "no" came back,
2375
01:54:35,936 --> 01:54:37,901
we had kind of already built
three-quarters of the set.
2376
01:54:38,104 --> 01:54:42,970
So, the rationale was, "Well,
we might as well shoot it,
2377
01:54:43,139 --> 01:54:44,699
but you guys got to
do it in two days."
2378
01:54:44,935 --> 01:54:47,206
You don't take dictation
from the studio by any stretch,
2379
01:54:47,342 --> 01:54:49,209
but you try to figure out
a middle ground.
2380
01:54:49,378 --> 01:54:51,710
As someone who has to live
between the creative
2381
01:54:51,879 --> 01:54:55,816
and the financial and,
you know, the studio
and Chad, it's hard.
2382
01:54:55,985 --> 01:55:01,216
I mean, he never accepts no
as the answer. And beauty
and magic come out of that.
2383
01:55:01,385 --> 01:55:04,222
But man, you go fully gray.
2384
01:55:04,391 --> 01:55:06,725
[electronic music playing]
[gunfire]
2385
01:55:06,894 --> 01:55:09,433
[Stahelski]
I think that the proof's
kind of in the pudding, right?
2386
01:55:09,635 --> 01:55:10,933
Number one is pretty good.
2387
01:55:11,135 --> 01:55:12,936
Hopefully number two is better,
three is better,
2388
01:55:13,138 --> 01:55:15,436
4 is... I'm most proud of,
because I think
2389
01:55:15,639 --> 01:55:19,843
it's the most anime
with framing, composition,
depth of field.
2390
01:55:20,012 --> 01:55:22,046
[Harris] Chad has
always been very cognizant
2391
01:55:22,248 --> 01:55:26,043
that John Wick is a franchise
that's dripping with tone.
2392
01:55:26,212 --> 01:55:32,554
And it's that Sergio Leone,
like, take your time,
move through the scene,
2393
01:55:32,723 --> 01:55:34,255
be with the character.
2394
01:55:34,424 --> 01:55:38,389
Chad was very much into not
cutting into a lot of details.
2395
01:55:38,557 --> 01:55:40,732
He wants to play it
as wide as possible,
2396
01:55:40,901 --> 01:55:43,131
have dolly shots
and crane shots and Steadicam.
2397
01:55:43,333 --> 01:55:45,868
So we would try to move
the camera as much as we can
2398
01:55:46,037 --> 01:55:49,940
to make it more epic,
more classic.
2399
01:55:50,109 --> 01:55:52,203
[Harris] And so, even in
the earliest discussions,
2400
01:55:52,372 --> 01:55:53,745
we always make sure
that, like,
2401
01:55:54,014 --> 01:55:56,445
does this feel important
and does it feel special?
2402
01:55:56,548 --> 01:56:01,151
Does it feel like
we're presenting
an image worth resting on?
2403
01:56:02,555 --> 01:56:05,156
[crew chattering]
2404
01:56:05,358 --> 01:56:06,454
Pretty cool.
2405
01:56:06,623 --> 01:56:07,916
Sacré-Coeur.
2406
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:10,655
John Wick's final scene.
2407
01:56:13,031 --> 01:56:14,495
[cameraperson]
This is where it happens?
2408
01:56:14,697 --> 01:56:15,597
The duel.
2409
01:56:15,766 --> 01:56:17,398
Should be pretty cool.
2410
01:56:17,567 --> 01:56:19,099
If we can only figure out how
to light it and how to shoot it
2411
01:56:19,268 --> 01:56:21,172
and how to perform it
and how to edit it
2412
01:56:21,375 --> 01:56:24,339
and how to put score to it,
make it look really cool,
we'd be set.
2413
01:56:26,739 --> 01:56:30,807
Especially because we start
shooting in... 34 minutes.
2414
01:56:31,748 --> 01:56:33,451
And so we begin.
2415
01:56:33,619 --> 01:56:35,284
[Western music playing]
2416
01:56:41,852 --> 01:56:44,589
[Reeves] After Chapter 3,
it was like, why?
2417
01:56:44,758 --> 01:56:48,458
And I was saying, like,
"The why is he has to die."
2418
01:56:48,627 --> 01:56:50,131
And I think as soon
as I said that,
2419
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:52,662
you-- you were like--
No, it's like, "I'm in."
2420
01:56:52,764 --> 01:56:54,498
Once you say that,
that's the period, right?
2421
01:56:54,667 --> 01:56:56,270
And then
you got to figure out how.
Yeah. How?
2422
01:56:56,439 --> 01:56:58,604
If he's got to die, like,
we got to make this count.
2423
01:57:00,276 --> 01:57:02,514
And I think that was
the hardest part, right?
2424
01:57:02,683 --> 01:57:06,178
Because we knew, one of the
first things we wanted to do,
like, we wanted to do a duel.
2425
01:57:06,347 --> 01:57:08,517
[Harbinger]
Positions, gentlemen.
2426
01:57:08,786 --> 01:57:11,222
[Stahelski] Then, you're like,
"Okay, but it's got to
mean something, like..."
2427
01:57:11,324 --> 01:57:13,684
[Reeves] Yeah.
[Stahelski] My duel was like,
"Well, he'll win."
2428
01:57:13,853 --> 01:57:16,224
And you're like,
"Whoa, whoa, whoa.
He's got to lose.
2429
01:57:16,426 --> 01:57:18,456
[chuckles]
But he wins
and he gets what he wants."
2430
01:57:18,625 --> 01:57:20,225
So, how do we get him out
of this whole life?
2431
01:57:20,427 --> 01:57:22,663
How do we
get out of everything?
Mmm.
2432
01:57:22,832 --> 01:57:27,530
And that's when we set up
the whole Donnie's
character's backstory
2433
01:57:27,699 --> 01:57:28,904
of saving a daughter.
[Reeves] Yeah.
2434
01:57:29,107 --> 01:57:30,641
[Stahelski]
And Hiroyuki's character
2435
01:57:30,809 --> 01:57:32,506
of the daughter survives him.
2436
01:57:32,675 --> 01:57:35,374
So you lose a friend
and a friend has to
fight you in the duel.
2437
01:57:35,543 --> 01:57:37,407
Because originally we had
Marquis duels you--
2438
01:57:37,609 --> 01:57:39,480
Right, yeah.
It took a little while.
2439
01:57:39,649 --> 01:57:42,615
It was like a clock trying to
figure out the right mechanism.
2440
01:57:42,817 --> 01:57:45,552
How do we tell
John Wick time? [chuckles]
Yeah, exactly.
2441
01:57:48,988 --> 01:57:51,692
[Lee] Chad always talks
about how he loves
the idea of frenemies.
2442
01:57:51,894 --> 01:57:53,897
It's in all of the movies,
but especially
in John Wick 4, right?
2443
01:57:54,066 --> 01:57:55,724
Like the Caine and Wick
relationship
2444
01:57:55,893 --> 01:57:58,331
and the idea that you can
love your brother,
2445
01:57:58,499 --> 01:57:59,734
but then also want
to kill your brother.
2446
01:57:59,903 --> 01:58:01,337
I missed you, John.
2447
01:58:03,801 --> 01:58:05,902
It's so good to
sit with a friend.
2448
01:58:07,379 --> 01:58:10,278
I love the Japanese concept
of secrets and hidden whispers,
2449
01:58:10,481 --> 01:58:12,910
meaning only a warrior knows
a warrior, only a soldier...
2450
01:58:13,079 --> 01:58:16,120
Like you have to be
in the trenches with someone
to really know them.
2451
01:58:16,322 --> 01:58:18,455
And just, I mean, that shot
alone, two guys sitting there
2452
01:58:18,658 --> 01:58:20,888
both knowing they have to
face each other the next day,
I thought that was--
2453
01:58:21,057 --> 01:58:23,260
In a church.
In a church.
2454
01:58:24,487 --> 01:58:25,922
We're damned...
2455
01:58:27,863 --> 01:58:29,233
you and I.
2456
01:58:30,702 --> 01:58:32,397
On that we agree.
2457
01:58:32,599 --> 01:58:34,103
What we've all tried to do
in John Wick
2458
01:58:34,271 --> 01:58:36,702
is link John Wick
to everybody in the movie,
2459
01:58:36,871 --> 01:58:39,203
so he's always got
a relationship,
so no one's a throwaway.
2460
01:58:39,371 --> 01:58:43,246
And I think that's why
John's so beloved,
even though he's an assassin.
2461
01:58:43,415 --> 01:58:45,579
I mean, even the tracker
who's literally just met him.
2462
01:58:45,748 --> 01:58:48,787
Because we don't have
the stereotypes
of good guy, bad guy,
2463
01:58:48,956 --> 01:58:51,651
we can fuck with
relationships like that.
2464
01:58:51,853 --> 01:58:55,056
Like Donnie and him
were probably best friends
at a point.
2465
01:58:55,225 --> 01:58:57,888
See you in the next life,
brother.
2466
01:58:58,057 --> 01:59:00,731
Like, Hiroyuki's a best friend,
but John puts him in danger,
2467
01:59:00,900 --> 01:59:02,329
and Hiroyuki stands up for him.
2468
01:59:02,598 --> 01:59:05,460
Friendship means little
when it's convenient.
2469
01:59:05,562 --> 01:59:08,833
To play with friendship
and bonding and loyalty
like that is a real luxury.
2470
01:59:09,035 --> 01:59:10,406
Fire!
2471
01:59:15,616 --> 01:59:18,977
[Reeves] You started
John Wick 1 with John Wick
falling to his side.
2472
01:59:19,146 --> 01:59:20,344
[Stahelski] Yep.
2473
01:59:20,547 --> 01:59:21,846
[Reeves]
And then, there he is.
2474
01:59:24,415 --> 01:59:25,817
He gets his grace.
2475
01:59:31,758 --> 01:59:33,328
We're doing
this little focal thing.
Mm-hmm.
2476
01:59:33,497 --> 01:59:35,190
So I'll have you guys
look at the gravestone.
2477
01:59:35,392 --> 01:59:37,834
When I say "Laurence,"
they'll rack over
to you. You turn--
2478
01:59:38,003 --> 01:59:38,930
And then make my turn.
Exactly.
2479
01:59:39,099 --> 01:59:41,435
Very good.
2480
01:59:41,604 --> 01:59:43,534
[cameraperson] Is this
the last-- not last shot.
2481
01:59:43,736 --> 01:59:46,472
You're making the last shot
in the movie.
2482
01:59:46,641 --> 01:59:48,942
I think. Although,
I could change my mind.
2483
01:59:49,077 --> 01:59:50,175
Probably tomorrow.
2484
01:59:50,578 --> 01:59:52,907
Or now.
I've just changed my mind.
2485
01:59:52,976 --> 01:59:54,846
[cameraperson]
So it's not the last one?
2486
01:59:56,085 --> 01:59:57,453
Why? Who wants to know?
2487
01:59:59,024 --> 02:00:01,118
How much
does one more cost?
2488
02:00:01,287 --> 02:00:03,285
[chuckles softly]
2489
02:00:03,487 --> 02:00:05,993
We're still talking
about John Wick
and John Wick universe a lot.
2490
02:00:06,195 --> 02:00:08,725
But whether or not there's
a specifically John Wick 5,
I don't know.
2491
02:00:08,927 --> 02:00:11,566
Where do you think he is,
heaven or hell?
2492
02:00:14,200 --> 02:00:15,633
Who knows?
2493
02:00:15,969 --> 02:00:18,405
[Lee] I think the movies
are so, you know, hyperreal.
2494
02:00:18,474 --> 02:00:20,374
And we've proven that,
you know,
2495
02:00:20,543 --> 02:00:23,343
people can survive
all sorts of crazy things.
2496
02:00:23,512 --> 02:00:25,248
So, it's whatever
we want it to be.
2497
02:00:25,450 --> 02:00:27,446
We still have
ideas left...
I know. We still have--
2498
02:00:27,515 --> 02:00:29,385
...that we
haven't done, man!
2499
02:00:29,888 --> 02:00:34,121
[Iwanyk] It is a bit surreal
that after a decade
of nonstop John Wick,
2500
02:00:34,190 --> 02:00:36,885
that we'll have a break
and that Chad's going off
and do another movie.
2501
02:00:37,054 --> 02:00:38,856
I'm hoping, selfishly,
he's gonna go,
2502
02:00:39,025 --> 02:00:41,191
"This is what it's like
to direct a regular movie.
2503
02:00:41,527 --> 02:00:43,891
I want to go back
to John Wick, where I could
do whatever the hell I want
2504
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:45,330
and Keanu will do
anything I ask."
2505
02:00:45,498 --> 02:00:47,061
Creatively,
like, even if--
2506
02:00:47,230 --> 02:00:49,207
I mean, if you and I
just spend, like,
seven minutes
2507
02:00:49,376 --> 02:00:52,140
and we could figure out,
like, what haven't we done,
2508
02:00:52,342 --> 02:00:54,410
and we could come up
with ideas for 5
2509
02:00:54,579 --> 02:00:57,272
and it would be like...
You know, it wouldn't suck.
2510
02:00:57,474 --> 02:00:59,448
Wick is pain.
It'd just be a different pain
on a different day.
2511
02:00:59,650 --> 02:01:01,883
Yeah. But maybe
we can find
another story to tell
2512
02:01:02,052 --> 02:01:03,281
and cook another meal.
2513
02:01:03,483 --> 02:01:06,258
[crowd clamoring, cheering]
2514
02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:12,925
[Stahelski] I can't wait to see
what happens next in action.
2515
02:01:13,094 --> 02:01:16,464
It's like fashion. It changes.
There's generations.
It evolves.
2516
02:01:16,666 --> 02:01:18,895
To be part of that movement
is really exciting.
2517
02:01:19,064 --> 02:01:21,165
People always send me clips
of different movies.
2518
02:01:21,434 --> 02:01:23,904
"Hey, look, they're copying
John Wick" or
"They're trying to do gun fu."
2519
02:01:24,006 --> 02:01:25,374
I dig that.
2520
02:01:25,543 --> 02:01:26,634
You know, when you read
a script and it just says,
2521
02:01:26,836 --> 02:01:27,876
"John Wick action happens."
2522
02:01:28,045 --> 02:01:29,277
I kinda... You smile.
2523
02:01:29,446 --> 02:01:31,372
You're like,
okay, that's pretty...
2524
02:01:31,574 --> 02:01:33,275
I kind of play it off.
But I'm pretty like,
"That's pretty cool."
2525
02:01:33,410 --> 02:01:36,818
That's inspiring because being
competitive is what drives us.
2526
02:01:37,021 --> 02:01:40,951
And that's being competitive
with what's been done,
including ourselves.
2527
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:45,155
I don't have any competition
with Chad in my head.
2528
02:01:45,357 --> 02:01:47,560
[chuckles]
2529
02:01:47,728 --> 02:01:49,131
I don't think
I have any competition.
2530
02:01:49,300 --> 02:01:51,565
I mean,
he does his own thing.
2531
02:01:51,734 --> 02:01:53,499
He's doing...
Well, he's in his own world.
2532
02:01:53,701 --> 02:01:55,272
He does Wick.
Like, he loves Wick.
2533
02:01:55,508 --> 02:01:58,401
Wick is fucking Chad.
Chad and Keanu, they're Wick.
2534
02:01:58,570 --> 02:02:01,640
They bleed Wick.
They die Wick. They're like
Wick, you know?
2535
02:02:01,809 --> 02:02:04,639
And that's why it's so good,
you know?
2536
02:02:04,841 --> 02:02:06,241
'Cause Wick is pain.
2537
02:02:07,119 --> 02:02:09,319
Um...
Maybe Wick is pain.
2538
02:02:09,388 --> 02:02:11,345
Maybe it's a great name
for the documentary.
2539
02:02:11,748 --> 02:02:15,490
I think if there's one thing
that the Wick process
has taught me,
2540
02:02:15,558 --> 02:02:17,294
just from watching
Keanu and everything,
2541
02:02:17,730 --> 02:02:20,388
is pain's not necessarily
a bad thing,
you know what I mean?
2542
02:02:20,457 --> 02:02:24,762
Pain's just the end result,
often, of just brave choices
2543
02:02:24,931 --> 02:02:26,832
or putting yourself out there
or trying to win.
2544
02:02:27,001 --> 02:02:29,864
Yeah, we all have to suffer.
We all have to train hard.
2545
02:02:30,066 --> 02:02:33,373
But to me, no, honestly,
I love that.
2546
02:02:33,575 --> 02:02:35,037
That's what I do
every day anyway.
2547
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:37,379
You have to suffer a little bit
to be better, you know?
2548
02:02:37,581 --> 02:02:40,880
I mean, our bodies suffer.
Our minds suffer.
2549
02:02:41,645 --> 02:02:42,479
And I love that.
2550
02:02:42,648 --> 02:02:44,455
We want to make it the best.
2551
02:02:44,791 --> 02:02:47,884
And in order to make it
the best, you got to do
whatever it takes.
2552
02:02:47,952 --> 02:02:50,692
And sometimes it hurts.
It hurts.
2553
02:02:50,860 --> 02:02:53,724
And it hurts you,
and it hurts
the people around you,
2554
02:02:53,926 --> 02:02:55,729
maybe the people
that are close to you.
2555
02:02:56,031 --> 02:02:58,202
But Wick isn't pain.
I mean, Wick's a blessing.
2556
02:02:58,270 --> 02:03:00,330
I mean,
it's like movie magic.
2557
02:03:00,499 --> 02:03:05,840
It's, you know...
We all hit a creative
and financial jackpot.
2558
02:03:06,009 --> 02:03:10,006
And, you know, there
isn't a day that goes by
where I'm not like,
2559
02:03:10,209 --> 02:03:12,575
"Thank fucking god
Wick's a part of my life."
2560
02:03:12,777 --> 02:03:15,844
Is the pain worth it? Yeah.
2561
02:03:16,013 --> 02:03:17,752
It's just a lot of pain.
[chuckles]
2562
02:03:21,126 --> 02:03:22,626
[Reeves] Congratulations.
2563
02:03:22,828 --> 02:03:23,726
Awesome.
2564
02:03:23,895 --> 02:03:26,527
[applause]
2565
02:03:26,596 --> 02:03:28,498
[crew member] Good job.
Thank you, guys.
2566
02:03:28,967 --> 02:03:31,460
[Reeves] It's like one of
the greatest gifts
I've had in my life.
2567
02:03:31,529 --> 02:03:33,362
[chuckling]
2568
02:03:33,531 --> 02:03:34,697
Well done.
2569
02:03:35,066 --> 02:03:38,102
I had a John Wick decade,
my 50s.
2570
02:03:38,778 --> 02:03:40,310
Fuck yeah.
2571
02:03:40,679 --> 02:03:44,076
I don't know if I could have
another decade like that.
2572
02:03:44,145 --> 02:03:45,241
Um...
2573
02:03:46,185 --> 02:03:48,882
Yeah, I'd be
very, very lucky.
2574
02:03:50,384 --> 02:03:52,347
But, uh, yeah.
2575
02:03:53,854 --> 02:03:56,987
Wick is pain.
Wick is celebration.
2576
02:03:57,190 --> 02:04:00,762
Wick is surviving.
Wick is trying to be free.
2577
02:04:01,561 --> 02:04:03,193
Wick is grieving.
2578
02:04:04,367 --> 02:04:06,768
Against the odds, surviving.
2579
02:04:07,967 --> 02:04:12,477
Wick is friendship.
Wick is love.
2580
02:04:13,571 --> 02:04:14,771
You know?
2581
02:04:14,940 --> 02:04:18,080
It's all those
kind of big ideas
2582
02:04:18,248 --> 02:04:22,586
in this... action movie.
2583
02:04:31,223 --> 02:04:35,393
And Wick is funny.
And John Wick is funny.
2584
02:04:35,562 --> 02:04:38,228
[rock music playing]